Talk:Generations/Advanced Terms

How much more powerful would a dragon be as a sorcerer compared to a human, or an elf? —-Dein0clies (talk) 15:03 8 May 2020 (EDT)

It isn't really a matter of power so much as ease of learning. A dragon is basically magic incarnate, as would be full-blooded fey, devil or angel; so they would have the easiest time learning to use their abilities. Elves have strong fey bloodlines just as nephilim have strong infernal/celestial bloodlines, so they would have a pretty easy time of it. Any bloodline a human has to allow them to become a sorcerer is likely to be weak making learning sorcery more challenging. The actual spells would be the same power-wise, however. Magic is magic. --Elerneron (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2020 (CEST)

I see. Alright, so with that in mind is it easier to gain shapeshifting from sorcery or wizardry? Also, would a dragon’s innate magic effect wizardry in anyway? —-Dein0clies (talk) 19:32 8 May 2020 (EDT)

Both wizardry and sorcery are unlimited in scope. This means that any type of magical affect can be achieved with either one. The difference lies in the fact that wizardry is an external manipulation of the world to create magical effect whereas sorcery is the direct manipulation of ambient magical energies. Wizards use special words, gestures and materials to cause magic. Sorcerers simply will the magic to happen. The only types of magic that are more powerful/versatile than sorcery are djinn magic (which allows casting even in magic dead areas by using the djinn's self as the magic source) and Divine Magic (which isn't present in this story, as all of the gods are dead). Sorcery, in this setting, is objectively better than wizardry. People in this world only become wizards because they want to cast magic but no not have the proper bloodlines to become sorcerers. --Elerneron (talk) 04:19, 9 May 2020 (CEST)

EDIT: The reason the reader might choose to learn wizardry is in case one of his offspring down the line doesn't have enough magical bloodline to be a sorcerer. This is unlikely with the dragon as dragon bloodlines are one of the most common for human sorcerers. --Elerneron (talk) 04:22, 9 May 2020 (CEST)

Thank you for answering my questions. If I may ask one more, how taxing on the body would shapeshifting be using sorcery? And just how easier is it for a dragon to learn sorcery? As in how fast would it take them to go from untrained to master of magic? —-Dein0clies (talk) 24:34 9 May 2020 (EDT)

If you're asking how much it would fatigue the sorcerer to change shape, that is all dependent on the sorcerer casting the spell. A mid-level sorcerer (as would be the minimum to cast such magic as it would be equivalent to a 4th level D&D spell) would feel moderately fatigued. A master sorcerer would barely even notice the effort. As far as the spell's effect on the body, it wouldn't be taxing at all as it would be part of the spell. Now the base spell would be a temporary effect lasting a few hours. For a more powerful version it would be the equivalent of a higher level spell and could last until dismissed or cast again.

As far as how hard it is for a dragon to learn sorcery . . . that depends entirely on the dragon. Racially they are in the group that would be the second most talented in sorcery. The most talented are the djinn and gods for whom no training at all is really necessary for basic sorcery. Sorcery for them is second nature and only requires a bit of practice to advance. For a dragon, fey, devil, angle, or other inherently magical being sorcery takes a bit of study and practice; or in lieu of a teacher quite a bit of trial and error. The higher the Spirit and Mind of the sorcerer, the faster they would learn. Still, mastery should take a few years at least even for the best sorcerer students. There is no upper limit to sorcery, so one can keep getting stronger. It does have diminishing returns, however so as one gets more powerful, it takes more and more effort to become even more powerful. Eventually it gets to the point that just a bit of advancement can take decades.

As this isn't actually a game system; it best just to make things fit for the story. As long as the reader can sense that some effort is being made to gain the power, it should all be good. I'm fine with Mary Sue's and Gary Stu's in some stories; and the main character of this story can be one at times; but it's best not to push these things too much. --Elerneron (talk) 07:15, 9 May 2020 (CEST)