Talk:Life Hacks/Xandergod(Rosemance)/S-C/F-child/Jan/Don't say anything, just keep fucking Jan in front of him
A thought on Max Fertility... For a guy that means producing a lot more sperm and semen, and they're all potent with high motility. What does it mean for the girl? Does she release multiple eggs every ovulation to increase the chances of one of them implanting? If that's the case, then combined with guaranteed impregnation means they'll each get pregnant with fraternal twins or triplets. With both max fertilities in the mix, how does that affect identical twins/triplets? Is there an increased chance of that? Does that mean that the odds are good that each of the Holiday girls are about to become the new octo-moms? --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:37, 30 November 2017 (CET)
That thought has been on my mind. I have attempted to rationalize away from it, but that is actually a reasonable interpretation of "max fertility." Maybe I should stop running from the idea. Jemini (talk) 12:36, 30 November 2017 (CET)
LOL I look forward to the day of their first OB/GYN appointment. Xander staying in the room as they bring in one expecting mother after another, getting progressively younger each time. The look on the Doc's face as s/he learns Xander is the dad for all of them. Calculating due dates are all the same result showing he did them all the same day. Ultrasound showing all of them expecting multiples. It's probably fair to limit the multiple eggs to the girls who reached puberty naturally, but even the younger ones are exoecting at least twins. Not sure which reaction would be more entertaining, the doc's increasing incredulity, or shock straining Xander's perfect health heart. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2017 (CET)
I'm actually beginning to have second thoughts now about max fertility leading to multiples. Multiples, in terms of human reproduction, can actually be classified as a birth complication or abnormality beings both means by which twinning happens are not the typical standard healthy way for it to go. It could just be that a tendency toward twinning is a trait separate from fertility. (also, the terms maternal and paternal twins, confusingly enough, are actually reversed as to who's gamates are at fault. Paternal twins are the result of the mother's ovaries releasing 2 eggs, and maternal twins are the result of the zygote splitting after recieving the father's sperm. So, both have a lot to do with the mother whereas the father has zero involvement in whether or not "paternal" twinning happens.) At any rate, I'll be thinking about that. Likely won't be progressing this path any further until I figure out an answer. Jemini (talk) 16:11, 8 December 2017 (CET)
It actually makes sense. In Paternal twins, the man's seed fertilizes two or more eggs. In Maternal, the mother's fertilized egg splits into two or more embryos. I agree, somewhat about the twinning thing, but remember that the egg is already fertilized with Maternal twins, so the father isn't completely in the clear as to cause. It still might be a genetic trait that runs in some families, and in a genetically perfect breeder the propensity to spawn multiples per birth would be a good thing. I do think that 12 is far too many. Not every egg gets fertilized, and not every fertilized egg gets implanted, so I do think that Max fertility in a girl would cause her to release a minimum of 2, and probably a maximum of 4 for a girl in her prime years. I also think that twins and triplets might have a greater chance of happening with Xander's Max Fertility, but possibly putting a limit on how many each girl has. If she only releases one egg (not having max fertility active herself) then Xander's seed would make her have triplets. If she has released more than one egg, then I think the max should be 8, split up over the fertilized eggs (anything from 4 sets of twins to 2 sets of quads, one twin and two triples) but it won't be max every time, just increased chance (say d100 70-90 is twins 91-100 is triples? or maybe 40% chance for multiples and 85% of those are doubles and the rest triples?) that any given zygote will multiply. That means there's even a chance that a girl still only gives him one kid, if he doesn't have max fertility active on her or she's very young.
Maybe the chance of releasing extra eggs goes up as the girl ages, too. The ones with precocious puberty only release one (since that's their current max) and Mom, who is getting closer to menopause, might release 6 as her body tries to use them before she loses them. Hmm... I guess I REALLY want to see the doctors faces when they see not only multiple mothers but most, if not all, carrying multiple babies lol. He better get busy with the property ownership settings and get some rental properties bringing in some money. Maybe "buy" some banks and other businesses too. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 17:48, 8 December 2017 (CET)
Well, for a 1st cycle I would agree on the 1 egg release point, but for someone like Jan who is already post-pubescent but early in the pubescent years, it would actually be THAT age-range that has the very highest likelihood of releasing multiple eggs. Puberty-14 has a more unstable cycle, which also comes with the possibility of more eggs released per cycle. It is after 15 that the cycle starts to stablize. Jemini (talk) 14:37, 9 December 2017 (CET)
Yeah, but it still wouldn't be 12. Set up a random generator for how many eggs get released. Maybe roll a d6 and use that # with adjustments for age. Even someone who is regular might not release the same number every month, diet exercise even injury could affect it. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2017 (CET)
Actually, my thoughts on the matter were that the system would have a safeguard to limit people who max out fertilities, that being that no more than 4 eggs can be released at a time (octo-mom had her 8 children as a result of in-vitro fertilization, and in doing so changed the policy on embryo implantation to limit it to only 2 to 5 implantations at a time after testing to verify the health of the mother's womb and the likelihood of successful implantation.) and there can be no more than 3 maternal twins in 1 fertilization. So, 4 X 3 = 12. 4 eggs are released, all of them are fertilized, all of them become triplets. And, due to the maxed out female firtility, all 12 successfully implant.
FYI, I agree 12 is too much, but unfortunately I find it fairly easy to justify it in-universe if we define multiples as part of fertility, thus the reason why I am wanting to change the rules to not make multiples a default under max fertility, instead defining multiples as a pregnancy complication similar to ectopic pregnancy, a complication that can be preferred and thus triggered as a separate matter either in traits or via cheats which will be added.
Actually, I have just about decided to do exactly that, although since you seem to have an interest in the subject I will let you speak your piece before I make the change. If I make this change, Jan will still be pregnant with multiples, it will just be because of a cheat instead of her fertility settings. Jemini (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2017 (CET)
Even with the sped up gestation, a couple of minutes for them to divide into triplets is pdq. I'm fairly sure that normally happens until after implantation. In that case he would only see 4. A surprise, but not an overly alarming one. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2017 (CET)
Ehh... that's completely incorrect. Once implantation happens, the zygote is ancored and cannot produce a twinning effect. It happens before implantation, which under normal circumstances occurs around 3 days after fertilization. However, the system made them forcibly implant mere seconds after firtilization in order to avoid being washed out by Xander's massive amount of sperm. (which could justify a loss of the opportunity to maternally twin, leaving only 4 perminantly. That's another direction I can go, however now I'm actually liking the idea of a twinning cheat.) Jemini (talk) 06:01, 10 December 2017 (CET)
Well... you're the author, so I guess it's up to you. Of course that opens up extra paths, ones where Xander reduces the number of children his conquests have, and ones where he likes the idea of putting "litters" in them all. Lots more work, that way. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2017 (CET)