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Winter Coding
Hey, I have looked through the coding Wiki in order to try and figure out how to use flags and conditional statements. I can't make heads or tails of it. If anyone manages to figure it out, please share. Jemini (talk) 03:46, 20 October 2015 (CEST)
Yes, Winter coding is not working currently. Iratu was looking at the problem, and hasn't gotten back to me yet. It may have to wait until the original creators update the software to the current version of MediaWiki. --Elerneron (talk) 06:48, 20 October 2015 (CEST)
Suggestion: Common Areas
Hello, I'm new here so I'm not sure how things work but I see that there are several interesting stories around that haven't been updated for 2 years or more, their authors haven't logged in during all that time either, I have no idea what most of the stories is about and I guess the hotcodes are enough for people who just want to read the sex scenes but there's a lot of information that is missing and would be nice to know.
I don't have the references here but some people have done statistical analysis on user retention at Wikipedia (with an automated bot checking millions of users over a few years) and they found out that the best predictor (out of everything they analyzed) of whether or not an user will still be active 30 days after joining is receiving a welcome message, even if automated, community interaction basically.
Now, I know Elerneron has been sending welcome messages for years but, after those first 30 days, users here create stories, pours hours trying to make something people will like and yet for most of them there's no feedback whatsoever. I haven't been through it yet but I imagine it feels like producing in a vacuum. I imagine it's natural that over time they'll just wear out and stop, which is what seems to have gone on with many of the stories I've read so far.
What I'd like to propose is a bit like the existing Stories pages (Loli, Shota, Furry, Meta) but less rulefied, a discussion page of sorts, not to replace those but where Users who feel like it can post a short summary of their stories (or others can write them for existing ones), and others might be able to give short reviews below each entry. If the summaries page ends up becoming a popular way to find interesting works then Authors will have an incentive to write their blurbs there and, whilst at it, will come into contact with the work of others and might leave a feedback or two at that, whereas that is currently not being done.
Other ideas that could be implemented if there is enough interest would be Writing Groups and Reading Groups. The Writing Guide is nice but can't really give "professional" feedback before a story is finished, won't help you end a chapter you've been labouring on for for days on end, won't give you new ideas or a twist you might be looking for, etc. Reading Groups, I imagine, would be the less used and unless readership raises a little would end up scratched but I don't think that's bad per se. Eventually, as those groups grow, different groups might be used at once: a Writing Group for Loli writers, one for Shota, another for Interactive Games or Furries, etc.
PS: Requesting the opinion of all Users active on the last 30 days.
-- Imperial (talk) 06:12, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
There is a section on the main ATF site, that is to say on the forum, which is specifically deducted to discussion of these and other stories written by members of our community. Your suggestion while welcome in the spirit in which it was intended, is unnecessary in my personal opinion. On behalf of myself and the others here, thank you for your concern.
Claws61821 (talk) 09:17, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
I facepalmed so hard when reading this, guess I should lurk more before trying to do this kind of stuff... My experience with the forums was restricted to pressing F5 on the RP section, I wasn't aware the Authors here were using it.
Still, I just took a quick glance there and it seems many, if not most, current writers here aren't making use of it, which means they probably aren't getting any feedback either which, statistically speaking, doesn't bode well for retention. But if the forums can be used for this kind of thing then yeah, probably better to continue with them rather than duplicate the functionality here from scratch. Thanks. -- Imperial (talk) 12:22, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
I tend to not use the actual site to be honest, the content and authors I like are here.--Nervous (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
Either way, one thing that I suspect won't ever help with user retention is making it harder or impossible to track down new actual content submissions via the Recent Changes page by spamming over 100 separate users' Talk pages with "Come read my suggestion!" in under 24 hours, as possibly blunt as it is for me to say it... Not as frustrating as several hundred combined typographical correction submissions, page blanks, deletions, and moves in the same timespan, though... and I'm probably going to make quite a few people pissy with me for griping about the last 48 or so hours like this. Point I'm trying to get across is to be mindful of how it will impact those other users you're interested in retaining when you consider making any category of bulk quantity submissions to the wiki.--
Claws61821 (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
Boohoo, someone new tried to engage life in a ghost town of content(no disrespect to those cranking things out, there’s just so few), and now I have a problem I can solve by pressing a single button.--Nervous (talk) 19:30, 11 June 2019 (CEST)
Wow, Nervous, and I thought MY last post was ridiculously spiteful and out of line for rubbing people's faces into specific behavior. Impressive one-upsmanship! For the record, that button has limited remedial practicality that was all but nullified by the chronologically earlier set of bulk submissions which fueled my furor at the spam submissions that ensued; unless you're referencing some button besides that meant to expand the list of results in the Recent Changes page. I'm so sorry for actually having the combination of balls and respect-for-others to bring people's attention to their own beaches of etiquette without insulting them while admitting to my own in the process.
Imperial, don't take what I said yesterday personally. Everyone fucks up sometimes and most don't even notice it themselves until someone else tells them. That I was enough of a whiny bitch about bringing it up to call myself out in the same message should reinforce the idea. Just don't be like Nervous above and try not to be too much like my irritable fucking ass and you should be fine.-- Claws61821 (talk) 18:16, 12 June 2019 (CEST)
You’re right, I’m a dumbass. I skimmed through and saw you jumping on someone and just saw red. Sorry.--Nervous (talk) 18:41, 12 June 2019 (CEST)
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Hey guys, let's not fight it out, that's exactly the opposite of what I was hoping for with this.
Claws, I don't think users will stop reading stories because of Recent Changes being full one day, if they do then they were already close to leaving and if this proposal had motivated any actual improvements then the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks. That said, sorry for making it harder to find your stories, it won't happen again.
Nervous, thanks for the help. -- Imperial (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2019 (CEST)
You're not a dumbass, Nervous; just overenthusiastic in this instance. I'm sorry for biting your head off in return. Thanks for the apology.
Imperial, as I was trying to explain to Nervous above, I probably wouldn't have been as harsh on you if it hadn't come right in the wake of that other flood of widespread minor submissions. That said "The end justifies any means" is rarely ever a good attitude to hold, and I've seen people banned from other wikis for spamming pages that way even with the best of intentions. If I were you I'd just be thankful I'd only gotten my nose rubbed in it instead of gotten reported to a mod or something and subsequently endeavor to avoid similar behavior on any communal website in the future.
Good Lord but I've been long-winded about the most random bullshit this week... -- Claws61821 (talk) 07:47, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
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Claws, I tried being nice but you won't ever forgive me will you? In respect to you and hoping that despite everything that had transpired we could still have a good relationship from then on I decided to apologize and to refrain from ever doing such a thing again but, if no matter what I do, you're just going to stay aggressive and confrontational about a minor nuisance that happened 1 day of your life, then I'm not going to incentivize this sort of behavior any longer.
I take back everything I said in my previous post, if I see the need for such an action again then I'll no longer refrain from it in respect to someone who won't afford me any. I won't bother replying to your next reply but, in the far future, if you ever feel like becoming a contributor instead of a whiner then send me a message and we might be able to work on somehing. Goodbye.
-- Imperial (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2019 (CEST)
- Scratches head in confusion.* I'll never understand how people take me explaining myself and offering neutral advice as confrontational... -- Claws61821 (talk) 05:44, 14 June 2019 (CEST)