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I came to the story too late to help him find better passages, but my suggestion for Spacer was two other Old Testament passages. First, Lot and his daughters. They got him drunk, then slept with him to get pregnant, because they believed they were the last women on earth after Sodom and Gamora were destroyed. Sure, they're punished because the girls got him drunk and took advantage, but the pregnancies were blessed with lots of descendants (doesn't matter that they were completely wiped out by the Israelites as they took over the Promised Land, they were still blessed). The other was David, a "Man after God's own heart", who had to punish his son for raping his own sister. He flat out said if he had told his dad he wanted her, he'd have given her to him. Both passages, there was absolutely nothing said against the incest, it was about the rape/non-consent that was punished. Makes a pretty good argument for a very religious woman, don't you think? The hard part is convincing her to participate since he has non-family women to "spill his seed" into. --[[User:Notsooldpervert|Notsooldpervert]] ([[User talk:Notsooldpervert|talk]]) 06:14, 27 March 2020 (CET)
 
I came to the story too late to help him find better passages, but my suggestion for Spacer was two other Old Testament passages. First, Lot and his daughters. They got him drunk, then slept with him to get pregnant, because they believed they were the last women on earth after Sodom and Gamora were destroyed. Sure, they're punished because the girls got him drunk and took advantage, but the pregnancies were blessed with lots of descendants (doesn't matter that they were completely wiped out by the Israelites as they took over the Promised Land, they were still blessed). The other was David, a "Man after God's own heart", who had to punish his son for raping his own sister. He flat out said if he had told his dad he wanted her, he'd have given her to him. Both passages, there was absolutely nothing said against the incest, it was about the rape/non-consent that was punished. Makes a pretty good argument for a very religious woman, don't you think? The hard part is convincing her to participate since he has non-family women to "spill his seed" into. --[[User:Notsooldpervert|Notsooldpervert]] ([[User talk:Notsooldpervert|talk]]) 06:14, 27 March 2020 (CET)
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I'm from a military background as well (6 years in the US Navy).  In a large organization like the branches of the military, one needs a more divided structure, but that structure still filters down as it comes close and closer to the top.  For instance I was basically IT when I was in the Navy, but we were a division within the Supply Division.  The chiefs in the vault are just the high level heads of their departments.  They each have underlings that fit the more defined roles, but the Overseer doesn't need to see all of those people every day, just get their reports through the department heads.
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I'm fine with where people take the story going forward, but I don't want to change the base lore without good reason.  If you want to have Tay include the heads of all of the "sub-departments" in his daily briefings, that is within his authority as Overseer.  He already sees Dr. Charbonneau, and she is actually the chief (and only member) of a sub-department of the Medical Department.  There aren't necessarily department heads for each sub-department; and not everything is going to be analogous with our world.  For instance, the IT sub-department isn't likely to be called IT, and will be much less advanced than our computers as the microchip was never invented in the Fallout universe.  It would likely be called Computer Technology or some such since it wouldn't have become widely used enough as it has in our universe to be referred to as Information Technology.
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'''tl;dr''': Tay can interact with lower level departments if he wishes, but I don't want to change the lore to make them higher level.  --[[User:Elerneron|Elerneron]] ([[User talk:Elerneron|talk]]) 06:20, 27 March 2020 (CET)
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ALL SERVICE RELATED JOBS FALL UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT.  This includes beauticians.  --[[User:Elerneron|Elerneron]] ([[User talk:Elerneron|talk]]) 06:20, 27 March 2020 (CET)

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Since he just reduced the age of consent to 10, he could very easily (for the sake of slow-rolling the cultural adjustment) just say that he's not going to have sex with any married women (for now) and provide his sperm to unmarried girls who are probably going to be between 10 and 16. Jemini (talk) 08:50, 26 March 2020 (CET)


Yeah, but he is also Annulling all marriages, unless your talking about future marriages. --Telgar (talk) 11:57, 26 March 2020 (CET)


If you take a look at the characters, there is at least one couple that is going to have a big problem with that . . . Rosita and Hellen Vega. With that as a precident, I'm sure there are a few other lesbian marriages. --Elerneron (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2020 (CET)


I'm talking at the start. It was mentioned in the context of the story, cultural adjustment is something to be concerned about. One thing is going to be that the previously married women are not going to be so comfortable about the whole thing, so they will need some time to adjust and starting with the younger girls closer to having just passed the new age of consent will be a good way to provide that adjustment time. Jemini (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2020 (CET)


Points taken, all marriages to people who are not in Vault 69 will be annulled. Not just so he can have access to them but to release everyone from any ties that are not part of the current Vault life.

He is probably not thinking about the already married lesbian couples at this time, but when reminded of them he will make the acception.

Biggest hurdle however will be his mom, who would now be his wife, I was thinking of having him use her dedication to democracy against her. Have the woman for the idea of the department heads being his first wives, stand. Obviously the physician and psychiatrist would start, was thinking of having the Herdsmistress stand as well, which causes the others to reluctantly stand. Leaving his mother the only person sitting. Then him saying something about how it was a democratically chosen option. At which point she frowns and then slowly stands. --Telgar (talk) 16:28, 26 March 2020 (CET)


A good route to take with Haley (his mom) is to play off of the fact that she has always told Tay not to have a child out of wedlock. She will basically have to choose between being for polygamy and Tay creating a bunch of bastards. At least that is the path I'm taking on the polygamy thing once I get to the path I'm going to write for. As far as incest . . . that is a much harder sell. This is especially true since the only thing making it to where there isn't as much of a problem is the work of Doctor Romero, whom Haley genuinely abhors. That should be the hardest sell for Haley . . . especially when it comes to Tay's sisters. I don't think a bit of peer pressure would be enough to suddenly marry her son . . . especially the day after they lost contact with her husband forever. Tay is going to need to put more work in for that one. Just my 2₵ on the subject. --Elerneron (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2020 (CET)


Also, another way to work it out would be for his mother to be the one to insist he should be with girls closer to his age at the very least. Like, she reluctantly agrees to the marriage thing as a formality since all the other women seem to be for it, but then insists that her son shouldn't be with women so much older than him. It might even be the mother who latches onto the idea I put forward about it being for the sake of the cultural acceptance as well as the grief of the women who just suddenly lost their husbands and other male family members. Basically, in her efforts to make sure Tay is not sleeping with a bunch of older women, she pushes forward every line of argument she can think of. Jemini (talk) 17:59, 26 March 2020 (CET)

He can make a counter argument, he can agree to start with the girls around his age, but he's also going to have to do something about the women who are getting close to menopause (chief RunningDeer) and then he can promise to not touch his sisters or mother unlesd they are willing

I don't remember if it was mentioned but, I think we're missing some chiefs.

Which department does education fall under? And why do we have an administrative role for a Beautician (basically a person who works at a beauty salon)? Also, the Assaultrons are technically their own department. (Potential for someone to ask if Tay is going to fuck the Chief Assaultron)

Hell, we might as well get Chief Whitney knocked up, with how large her breasts are, she'd have ample amounts of breast milk to help nourish the growing population, and I'm sure chief RunningDeer would have no issue with hooking her up to a milking machine. --MrPib (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2020 (CET)


Oh I was planning on adding more departments, IT, Education, Hospitality... As for him going after the older women. I was thinking more along that line at first. Get the Department Head's as his wives, uses that to fuck eventually his mom , down the line, then from there get them to help him fuck their daughters which then opens the laws for incest and even younger girls having sex with him even though they can't have babies. I.e. working with the head of Education to make a practical sex Ed course that teaches the girls how to please him sexualy to increase their chances of breeding with him later in life.

For mom, I was thinking having the good Dr. Make an aphrodisiac that can get added to people's water rations. Basically do an experiment with his mom to see how horny she needs to get before she gives in and breeds with her son

As for the Assaultrons, right now they are basic attack robots with no personality or sexual characteristics. Eventually over time robots can, especially if encouraged to, develop personality and grow beyond their program. Others go insane and kill everyone. And eventually about 200 years after the boms fall, the discover how to make robots indistinguishable from humans that other robots can upload into. (Fallout 4) --Telgar (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2020 (CET)


There are only 1000 people here. There is such a thing as too much bureaucracy. There doesn't need to be any more departments. Education falls under the Administration department as does anything to do with the day-to-day activities of the vault. This includes but is not limited to: Commerce, Education, Food Service, Hospitality Services, Custodial (edit, actually I guess I put custodian under engineering . . . it could have fit in either), etc. This is covered for the most part in the Lore on this page: Vault_69/Vault_Dwellers#Assignments. With such a small population, more departments would gum up the works for no good reason. --Elerneron (talk) 20:24, 26 March 2020 (CET)

I'm assuming that the Overseer is also the CAO (Chief Administrative Officer.) But my question about the Beautician still stands, what does a cosmetologist have to do with Admin work?

Now, dividing the admin department up a little more would actually be beneficial. I doubt that Tay could be in charge of education since he is just a ten year old. Simply assigning one of the teachers as "head" teacher would do.

"Food Service" can be handled by both the Ranch and Hydroponics departments.

"Hospitality" can easily be handled by Psychology and medical. Psychology is mental well-being and medical takes care of the physical well-being.

Yeah, fucking the Chief Assaultron was a joke, since they are their own department. --MrPib (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2020 (CET)


Actually, I don't really think medical should have much to do with hospitality. Yes, there is the concept of having a good bedside manner, but that in and of itself is psychology as applied to healthcare. Also, it really gums up the works if there are a bunch of departments that are placed under the jurisdiction of two other departments.

About the only viable place I think this should be is in the area of food services since there actually is a separate hydroponics and animal husbandry department, and it completely makes sense for the two to be separate. However, I feel that food services would be better placed under the hydroponics department and they would just work together with the animal husbandry department in order to avoid the conflicts by sharing jurisdiction over a sub-department.

Also, having education as a sub-department directly under the overseer would make it a lot easier to implement the practical sex-ed idea. Also, who's to say we even need teachers? This is an age of computers, all learning can be through computer teaching programs with teacher only being a role more like a taskmaster to keep the kids on task during school hours. Thus, one teacher can oversee an entire range of students, like one teacher for 7-10 year olds, 1 teacher for 11-13 year olds, and 1 teacher for 14-18 year olds. There would need to be a few teachers for 3-6 year olds though since you can't so easily convince that age-group to just sit in front of computers. This would be a good model to have for such a low population since there probably are only around 200 or so total children, 400 if the vault plan excluded elderly or 600 if the vault plan favored families with 3+ children for families that did not include adults in essential specialized job-roles (both perfectly sensible policies. BTW: Security would not be considered specialized, thus Tay's family would have been favored for the 3+ children in the family.) That would mean 400/15 = approximately 26 students per grade level or 600/15 = approximately 40 (give or take) including pre-school. Jemini (talk) 00:49, 27 March 2020 (CET)


How many times do I have to say that Administration is not strictly just administration duties. If you limited it to just administrative duties, there would be very little that the department was in charge of. Anything to do with the day-to-day operation of the vault that is not strictly within the wheelhouse of the other departments belongs in Administration.

Food Service doesn't belong in Hydroponics because Hydroponics is a scientific department, and food service is a labor department. Animal Husbandry is a unique department just for Vaults 68 and 69, so it has it's own department. While there are labor requirements for both Hydroponics and Animal Husbandry, they also require scientific knowledge because of the difficult growing environment. Food production became a LOT more high tech due to space constraints, and other similar issues.

If you look at the characters you will note that there are three teachers: Tiffany Ray (Grades K-4), Xao Ling (Grades 5-8), and Ayesha al-Am'ari (Grades 9-12). Additionally there are two characters that are already assigned as daycare charges (effectively a preschool/crèche -combined childcare/school- system): Azusa Takahashi and Ofelia Vega. There could easily be more in the system as well.

I already thought a LOT of this stuff through. I didn't just throw everything together willy-nilly. I put a lot of thought and consideration into how I set up the organization of the vault's department system.

--Elerneron (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2020 (CET)


Sorry wasn't trying to make a big issue out if it. Come from a military background and was looking at the departments from that point of view. IT, Services/Hospitality and Education are separate independent organizations along with the ones you already had, from the smallest unit if less than 100 people to large base wide organizations. So those three just stood out as missing. It's your story though so if you are against new Departments then I can live with that. --Telgar (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2020 (CET)


For the Beautician being in Admin, perhaps she worked her way through beauty school as a secretary. Vaultech protocol dictates (see what I did there?) that Admin is more important, and some people have to fill multiple roles with such a small population. She can still do people's hair, it's just in addition to her secretarial duties.

As for getting Mom on board... Have you ever read "Six Times a Day" by Spacer X? Basically, this woman has the hots for her best friend and neighbor's son. She seduces and manipulates a doctor into convincing her very naive and religious friend and the boy in question, that his low energy is caused by a hormone imbalance can only be cured with lifelong meds with nasty side effects ("anal discharge" is referenced repeatedly) or by achieving orgasm six times a day. The number was chosen at random to be very difficult to achieve, especially through masturbation (and especially since he's supposed to have a slow buildup to stimulate a greater hormonal response). The plan is he won't be able to do it alone, so Suzanne can make the "sacrifice" to help (even though she's technically married). In reality, she's a hedonist, who really wants to seduce Alan, his mother (her friend) Susan, and Susan's daughter Katherine and have one big happy fucky family. She basically starts brainwashing Susan into wanting the incest (even though both kids are adopted). At one point she's using the Bible to prove her point. She uses the passage where they guy gets struck dead for masturbating and it says it's better for a man to cum in the belly of a whore than spill his seed on the ground.

I came to the story too late to help him find better passages, but my suggestion for Spacer was two other Old Testament passages. First, Lot and his daughters. They got him drunk, then slept with him to get pregnant, because they believed they were the last women on earth after Sodom and Gamora were destroyed. Sure, they're punished because the girls got him drunk and took advantage, but the pregnancies were blessed with lots of descendants (doesn't matter that they were completely wiped out by the Israelites as they took over the Promised Land, they were still blessed). The other was David, a "Man after God's own heart", who had to punish his son for raping his own sister. He flat out said if he had told his dad he wanted her, he'd have given her to him. Both passages, there was absolutely nothing said against the incest, it was about the rape/non-consent that was punished. Makes a pretty good argument for a very religious woman, don't you think? The hard part is convincing her to participate since he has non-family women to "spill his seed" into. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:14, 27 March 2020 (CET)


I'm from a military background as well (6 years in the US Navy). In a large organization like the branches of the military, one needs a more divided structure, but that structure still filters down as it comes close and closer to the top. For instance I was basically IT when I was in the Navy, but we were a division within the Supply Division. The chiefs in the vault are just the high level heads of their departments. They each have underlings that fit the more defined roles, but the Overseer doesn't need to see all of those people every day, just get their reports through the department heads.

I'm fine with where people take the story going forward, but I don't want to change the base lore without good reason. If you want to have Tay include the heads of all of the "sub-departments" in his daily briefings, that is within his authority as Overseer. He already sees Dr. Charbonneau, and she is actually the chief (and only member) of a sub-department of the Medical Department. There aren't necessarily department heads for each sub-department; and not everything is going to be analogous with our world. For instance, the IT sub-department isn't likely to be called IT, and will be much less advanced than our computers as the microchip was never invented in the Fallout universe. It would likely be called Computer Technology or some such since it wouldn't have become widely used enough as it has in our universe to be referred to as Information Technology.

tl;dr: Tay can interact with lower level departments if he wishes, but I don't want to change the lore to make them higher level. --Elerneron (talk) 06:20, 27 March 2020 (CET)


ALL SERVICE RELATED JOBS FALL UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT. This includes beauticians. --Elerneron (talk) 06:20, 27 March 2020 (CET)