Talk:Yes/Chad/Enough of this, try to go back to dinner
I'm not entirely sure how the ring would clean this up. From the original description, it's supposed to make any question true but not necessarily alter reality so much as the perception of the person who is asked. So past making the puddle invisible to specific people I'm a bit at a loss. Villenia (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2017 (CET)
The ring works on inanimate objects like the puddle as well as people, but Chad does not realize it at this point in the story. If he did, he could simple address the puddle itself and ask if it was about to cease to exist for example to take care of it. Like I said though, he has yet to realize that the ring works on absolutely anything. --Elerneron (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Tried to post this at the same time as El and got hung up. Part doesn't aply now
In one of the other storylines he carries his sister to her room, and the door opens when asked. I would start with "is the kitchen floor clean?" And if that is too vague or Elerneron vetoes it as the ring not affecting objects or something then try "Have I already cleaned the kitchen floor?" That would apply to you and thus the kitchen floor would be clean. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Crap edited out the unnecessary stuff from my cut and paste lol --Notsooldpervert (talk) 19:01, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Hmm. My confusion is that in the writer's guide it uses the example of a blue sky turning green, but the result isn't reality itself changing but the perception of the subject. I honestly like that concept more than asking the puddle to evaporate and it complying. It's much more interesting when there could be greater or unintended consequences to your actions. The imperfect and unpredictable nature of the ring is really fun. So why would asking the puddle to evaporate not just make me think the puddle is gone without actually changing it? Not to take anything away from you guys, but - based on the original example - the whole superhero thing feels more like Chad convincing himself that he's doing those things without actually changing the nature of physics. Which itself is interesting; we can only perceive our own reality, so if ours is different from someone else's whose to say which is "real"? Anyhow, still not sure where I'm taking this thread. :) Villenia (talk) 00:30, 24 February 2017 (CET)
The reason the example states that only the ring wearer and target would see the sky as blue is because the ring only affects the wearer and the person, place, or thing they are talking to. If the wearer asked the sky directly if it were green it would turn green because it would be the direct subject of the question. The guide does go on to say that The ring works on everything even things that are generally not afforded the properties of thought or consciousness. This may be difficult to discover for the ring-wearer, because it isn't often that one asks yes or no questions of inanimate objects. but like it says, that is a difficult thing to discover unless one regularly talks to inanimate objects. I only allowed Chad to try it in my path after he accidentally discovered that the ring could make physical changes by asking about his mother's breast size. Really it's unlikely he would use the ring to directly clean the puddle at this time. He has no reason to believe it could do so, so why would he try it. As far as he knows the ring doesn't work that way.
If he asks someone else if the kitchen is clean, they would both see the kitchen as clean, but the rest of the family would see a big puddle of pee on the floor. That is something that could be interested to run with. His mom would likely be really mad seeing a big puddle of pee on the floor, but Chad, and whoever he asked (which could be both girls) wouldn't know what she was talking about as they would perceive the kitchen as being clean. Also just because they don't see the puddle doesn't stop it from functioning normally, so they could not see it, slip on it, and wonder why they slipped. The only way he would logically use the ring to get the puddle clean at this point is to ask someone else to clean it. --Elerneron (talk) 01:27, 24 February 2017 (CET)
Damn it! Did it again! Tried to post and it came back with "can't do that, Elerneron just changed the page with his post".
Well in that example, someone is asked if the sky is green, and for that one person it is. It's a completely different concept to direct the question at the sky itself, "Are you green?" In that case the sky would have to answer yes by turning green. Otherwise, it would all be an illusion and he would just THINK he had superman's powers but be unable to use them. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2017 (CET)