Talk:Dirty Talk/Three Brats/June 24th, 2021/Emilia lets her mom mark her with permanent ink

Omg i love this so much there is so much raw energy here. and the way she strap her up and use a wand hits a lot of kinks for me im loving this a lot,

btw if you ever feel just continuing a story and not giving votes at the end you can after all there could be some pages that are just set in stone and then eventually new paths appear (but of course if you just want to open more options that's okay too)

I do have a question can we get more clues on what the options can lead too or at least a hint of who is that someone else showing up is i really don't know what to vote for if you want to keep it as a mystery that fine too i just don't lose anything by asking. but story wise is probably sven the one that makes more sense unless that extra person looking for emilia is someone else in the garden already.

But this was hot thank you so much for the pages im loving this story. (I couldn't believe it but i saw there is people besides me voting for club, so i change my vote last night to that one too but i was certain story wise this one is the one that made more sense and it certainly didn't disappoint Thank you) --Xephion (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2022 (CEST)

I do tend to write whatever I find interesting, but it's fun to be steered by popular opinion. But to be honest I mostly add the polls because that's the original format IR chose, I'm just sticking to it!

I know that I'm not always clear about where each path is going to lead, but I think that's part of the surprise! It's also easier to write more ambiguous paths as I don't always know where it's going either and that way I don't get locked into anything. I figured the club would see some votes, and I may still venture in that direction, but I'll leave that specific path open for someone else to explore! --Villenia (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2022 (CEST)

ok makes sense im probably im still voting for the mysterious person since sven one is gonna happen anyway most likely and the danny one dont know if it makes sense i could be wrong since she drew the spade voluntarily i think it would not count as a punishment so danny would not get notified of it i could be wrong and uhhh thats sad to hear about the club BUT well that makes sense for the path of club at least is still open to appear on the story (i knew it wa gonna still be a possibility since you said spade or more) but makes sense to leave that path open and im voting for the mysterious extra becuase she is in an open shed in the garden so it could be gunnar this is me just assuming to be honest there is so many options of who it could be.

im waiting to see if thats all the revisions so im gonna re-read this page again later to see it in its finish state but from my first impression great job i love it it was hot as hell --Xephion (talk) 20:58, 30 September 2022 (CEST)

To Villenia, this is exactly the Laura I know and love. Calm and collected throughout the whole thing but ruthless in execution. I would still maybe add to the previous page a little fleeting thought to Emilia's last two paragraphs about her realizing she has a right to refuse (I would still prefer not to leave that to ambiguity), but with the transition to this page, it becomes more and more clear that she obviously knows deep down she needs, likes, and even wants to be punished. (And toyed with in general.) Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing.

Speaking of changes elsewhere, this is obviously off-topic to this page, but I've been eyeing the June 20th page with Danny and the forest trail for a while now, and I actually want to change/expand that discussion with Emilia and Heidi with a little. The idea: that little girl Heidi left hanging dry wasn't too appreciative about being left alone, and since she hasn't been around due to not being a local, she feels like she has some unsettled business with Heidi, but Heidi doesn't know this yet because she really has no idea how jealous that little girl can be. So heads up, I'm gonna change the dialogue there if you allow it.

Anyway, ambiguity is overall great, yeah, especially when planning for future possibilities or when you're just going by the flow as far as progressing the story goes. To Xephion's point about it being most sense to be Sven to find him, I agree, since he must have figured out something's going on, even if he doesn't know what. However, that would also be too expected, and the poll option says unexpected. Could be anyone, like Ludwig coming home from work and heading straight to the shed for whatever reason, Emilia's friends because the public beach is not too far away from the Björnquist's backyard, and you know they love to spend time around there, and sneaking around.

Also, you're right about the punishment, but stuff just could've been lost in translation on my part. How I imagine god-imposed vs. self-imposed punishments is: The former means the target has been marked by Kostikki as "disciplinary action necessary, needs to be set straight". In contrast, the latter just means the person is a hopeless fucking pervert who cannot be satisfied by normal means anymore. The latter wouldn't be marked by Kostikki, as he only guides Jokers to those against who "disciplinary action" is required. Since Emilia (or Laura, for that matter) has not broken any rules here, Kostikki would see no reason to guide a Joker towards them. It's kinda ambiguous at this point across the whole story altogether, and that page you mentioned is a very recent change too, so…

Still, Daniel could be drawn to Emilia for other reasons. They're neighbors, and Daniel and Laura are on friendly terms, so I imagine them being in semi-daily contact, and he could've heard something was going on in the yard. I'm not gonna vote on that, though. I'd prefer either Sven or a surprise. Probably a surprise because there's already so much content with Sven, but holding my vote hostage for now. -- Innocent Ruin (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2022 (CEST)

you know i been thinking how the club could have fit on the story (not for this path for this path it has to come in another way i mean the old path) So Emilia doesn't know much about the spade and club since both are practically the same it could be that she means to draw a spade but draws a club by mistake to appease Laura and lets be honest in the heat of the moment she wouldn't remember the difference between a spade or a club and ends up drawing the club (the only reason i had this idea is that i keep confusing the 2 at the beginning because both are very similar) So if anyone wanna use that for inspiration be free to do so. in the future i may try to write something like this to be honest i need a bit more confidence and knowledge to write it. i would need to figure out how to deal with the dad either by getting him out of the house for a while or finding another house maybe danny but im not sure when is his family is coming back, another option is just hiding it for a while (because eventually the dad will be made know of this and hopefully join in but until then). So im gonna wait to see how this path or other paths developed before trying my hand at writing (and if someone uses this path i can always find another path to do it so dont worry about it you can even take my ideas too if you want i don't mind seeing someone else ideas is inspiring) honestly my other problem is my grammar but im sure i can deal with it easily i may really try my hand at writing one day. --Xephion (talk) 09:23, 1 October 2022 (CEST)

Innocent Ruin, feel free to expand on Heidi's date however you want. It was just a fun bit of banter to fit in while they watched Milka, so if you can build it into its own arc be my guest! Strictly speaking I don't even think you need to change any of the existing dialog to make that work. That girl just shows up again out of nowhere and has a misguided vendetta that Heidi is blissfully unaware of. That's tons of fun!

As far as punishments and the gods go, I'm taking more of a "Scooby Doo" approach. Lots of things happen that can be attributed to all that, but there's also "a perfectly reasonable explanation" for everything as well. So Danny finding a need to stop by his house during the day and happening to hear Emilia's faint cries of pleasure from next door could still be Kostikki at work. A joker happening across her while she's marked with black plays into the myth and lore of the legend beautifully and would reinforce how seriously she takes the game. Whether she is "actually" being punished isn't so consequential.

I do have an idea for the visitor though. I'll see where that goes! --Villenia (talk) 22:19, 1 October 2022 (CEST)

Inspiration can sometimes come from strange places! Strictly speaking "no changes necessary" yes, but I thought it'd be more fun if Heidi had absolutely no idea what happened to her. I didn't even originally intend for Heidi to be experienced with other girls (just bi-curious) but I decided to embrace her being openly bi-sexual fully after reading some of your contributions.

And that approach is fine, I was mostly just explaining it to Xephion since he mentioned it. It also necessarily doesn't have to matter if the punishment is "real" or not, but it can potentially add a whole another dynamic to a scene from Emilia's perspective. (Feeling pressured, scared, or even guilty VS feeling curious about how fun being "punished" could be.) -- Innocent Ruin (talk) 23:40, 1 October 2022 (CEST)

Yes excited to see who is that visitor, the whole danny thing was just me not being sure but yeah i can see danny coming home and hearing her and excited to see more story after all whatever choice happens im excited and Innocent im just excited for whatever youa re doing i can see there is a lot of gears moving so im excited (Take all the time you need) --Xephion (talk) 01:25, 2 October 2022 (CEST)

Lastly, I say on Xephion's point story idea, and about the difference between the Club and the Spade being interchangeable and very similar to each other. (And since this is partially off topic to this page, I'll put it under a collapsible, so it doesn't take off from the actual discussion.) -- Innocent Ruin (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2022 (CEST)

• I mean, those are not bad ideas. This is not how I would personally ever handle a bestiality scene for Emilia, but it's not unbelievable to think Emilia COULD make this mistake since Emilia is simply too new to this to understand perfectly what it means to be a pet or a slave yet. Even Heidi and Milka, the only ones actually teaching Emilia to be responsible with the rules so far, are too naïve and not perverted enough to think like adults in that regard, so to expect Emilia to understand either would feel off. The three kids all just wanna fun, so in Emilia's attempt to have fun and feel good, she could totally make such a mistake.
  
  Also, all the symbols in the story are interchangeable with one another to a point, and the game rules don't necessarily prohibit "extreme" sex from "tame" markings. A Pink Star can have sex with a dog, for example, or any other animal for that matter. The Star and the Diamond are even more interchangeable than the two symbols with a "roleplay / top-bottom" dynamic. (The only real outlier is the Heart.) The point is the symbols aren't very well thought out, in my opinion. They're just something I wrote on a whim and later just expanded on because that's the idea I got stuck with, and they're super up to the interpretation for both the writer and the reader and the "in-character" personalities. The same goes for all of the game rules, to be honest, but let's not dwell on that.
  
  If you wanna know how I personally feel like the best way to differentiate them is (especially the black versions of them), this is how:
  
  First, how would you treat a pet in real life? Not a loli, but a real animal like a dog? Maybe train a dog to do tricks and stuff, and then reward success with treats and compliments as positive reinforcement because that's how they learn best? Take care of them as their superior because they can't do it as well themselves and because you still love them as pets? A Club-marked loli-doggy could similarly be trained and rewarded, but there would be the whole sexual dynamic to it instead of a" normal" one. You would still consider yourself her superior, control her life to an extent, and put on a collar and a leash maybe, but she would still always be a pet to be loved and taken care of first and foremost.
  
  In contrast, how about if you literally owned a human being? Now it's about making them do your bidding and making sure they listen. Discipline is essential here, and punishment for bad behavior takes precedence over reward. Good behavior is required of them by definition, and an object doesn't need to be rewarded. Like, if you own a sex toy like a fleshlight or a dildo, do you pet it after it makes you feel good? No. A slave must listen to you because they are property. This is why Venla with a Spade and NOT a Club was being forced to mate with a dog, for example; not because of Daniel's roleplay to train a pet, but because of his roleplay to humiliate his slave for his own amusement. A scene with Gunnar, in this sense, would also be perfectly in line with Emilia as a slave.
  
  In the end, there's no right or wrong way regarding this here in this story, since it's partially up for interpretation. Based on my own descriptions, though, Laura would be more akin to "the Queen of Clubs" if I were to write content where she wants to control Emilia more strong-handedly, while here and pretty much all the pages leading up to it, she feels to me more like "the Queen of Spades" with how incredibly strict she's being. (Little reward, a LOT of punishment.) Both versions are hot dommy-mommies in their own rights and perfectly valid faps. A Club having sex with a dog is still hot as hell.
  
  Just my personal interpretation of those two marks. Maybe you'll agree, maybe not.

well i see what you are saying but i think you misunderstood me then i never said that the end goal was to have sex with gunnar i like pet stuff because of giving the full control over your life to the master to be train stuff, to be dressed in only a collar and maybe dog ears and dog tail that can be anal plug, to sleep, eat and even go to the bathroom where the master wants you too, to be treated like a dog by everyone else, to the point you cant even speak and only bark and to be walk around outside and to only walk on all four all the time, the bestiality part is an extra that make the pet feel more like a pet.( and since most have to be secret all for this would have to be implemented slowly at night or only when at home) if you read my other post in the other page you see i barely mention gunnar since that's not the end goal. seeing the mom training her little puppy girl is something i want to see to the point that one day she could like it, so much that she ends up liking being treated like a pet (as a game of course not need to be permanent and she could still have some free time to be a human but when she is home or the weekends she is a pet), the bestiality is an extra a vey hot extra but an extra nonetheless --Xephion (talk) 18:40, 2 October 2022 (CEST)

Yeah that's a dumb misunderstanding on my part 🙊 like you even said "not for this path" but I still somehow managed to mix your idea up with the previous page where the club marking was linked to Gunnar lol. I was mostly jus rambling and trying to overanalyze shit, but still, I can be dumb sometimes so I do apologize.

I will say that with your new post, your idea of a petplay starts sounding even better and better. If you want to give writing a shot, don't let anyone hold you back! The world deserves more smut than it currently has. -- Innocent Ruin (talk) 20:46, 2 October 2022 (CEST)