Talk:Extreme Measures

In order for the S-factor to express, a person has to have double recessive genes, right? What if the act of expressing their power shifts one of those genes to dominant (thus increasing their likelihood to pass it on)? Some rare individuals like your regenerator might shift to double dominant (for even more leeway). Since it's so critical, perhaps it's a federal mandate that all sex ed classes (I had my first "here's how you'll start changing" type class in 5th grade and I was 10), also count for the sex and consent class? Make every year do it the first year, and all 5th graders after that. Once they're fertile, it's not just their ID that changes, perhaps they have to wear an identifier (like a button or pin) so everyone knows who they can ask? Reasonable means of concealing the public sex might be the law, but it's like jaywalking... eventually no one pays attention to it. Our hero MC with super stamina and regeneration powers can plow a mom and her 3 daughters right at their table at a fast food restaurant lol. Just some ideas. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 21:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Using the Punnett square, we can calculate the chances of create a "super"

N equals "normal", and is dominant. If this is present, they will not have powers

s equals "super" and is recessive. Meaning that in order to manifest this trait, you need double alleles

Both parents are non supers, only 1 carries the gene

Mom NN Dad Ns Offspring possibilities: NN NN NN Ns

25% the offspring is a carrier 75% the offspring is a carrier 0% chance of a super

Both parents are non supers, but carry the gene

Mom Ns Dad Ns

Offspring possibilities: NN Ns Ns ss

25% the offspring isn't a super, or a carrier 50% the offspring isn't a super, but is a carrier 25% the offspring manifests super powers

One parent isn't a carrier and the other is a super

Mom NN Dad ss

Offspring possibilities: Ns Ns Ns Ns

100% of the spring being carriers

One parent is a carrier and the other is a super

Mom Ns Dad ss

Offspring possibilities: Ns Ns ss ss

50% the offspring is a carrier 50% the offspring is a super

This last one is unnecessary, but is included for completion sake

If both parents are supers

Mom ss Dad ss

Offspring possibilities: ss ss ss ss

100% of the offspring are supers

--MrPib (talk) 23:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but if expressing a power changes the ss to Ss, or the more powerful SS, then there's a greater chance of children expressing powers instead of just having the recessive gene. Ns would become NS, not just a carrier, but a super. Any active Super would get greater privileges and if someone like the MC who healed back from almost nothing then expressed as an SS, then all of his kids would be supers, thus leading to even more leeway for him. Someone like that would pretty much get a "fuck any girl capable of bearing children regardless of age, social or marital status or consent" card. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

If I remember my biology class from 10 years ago, I don't think it works like that.

But in theory, or MC could have an X-linked variant, which would increase the chance of it being a Super, as long as the offspring were male. (Some real world diseases work like this, like color blindness)

But if Elerneron wants to deviate from the real world science, it's up to them. --MrPib (talk) 05:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

The gene couldn't suddenly become dominant. That isn't how genetics works. This is a story about super powers, but there is only so far I'm willing to stretch actual science for my science fiction. There could be a different that had a similar effect that was dominant; but that isn't the direction I want to take the story. Things get too easy with a dominant super gene. It would be like brown eyes; over time the majority of people would have them.

I understand your wish to see your scenario (and other similar scenarios) play out Notsooldpervert; and it could fit in the US model. It would be better played out in one of the models that I have inferred for other countries (Japan and Russia predominantly) or in a country that has not been defined or inferred. That said, the country's culture would have to fit that mold (Thus Japan and Russia). To create a sort of free-use situation you would need to have principles of great civic duty (Japan) or limited personal freedoms (Russia) or preferably both (Saudi Arabia?)...misogyny goes a long way toward a free use construct which fits Russia and Saudi Arabia. I would rather not write in a middle eastern setting personally. Japan would be my goto, but I could also write in Russia if you wanted the MC to have more authority and control. Let me know if you want me to play in one of these countries, and I'll get one started. --Elerneron (talk) 12:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Well... this is the genetics of "supers", so who's to say that their genetic structure couldn't alter further upon activating their powers? None of that is necessary for the story, I was just spitballing ideas in case you hadn't thought of it. I wouldn't mind some actual public sex thrown in, but just because it's not often seen. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Just added an indicator for the Biometer for girls who are currently pregnant (orange.) It would indicate they are fully off-limits the same as red would, but being of reproductive age but pregnant is quite different from having non-functional reproductive organs. It seems to make sense as they would likely not want a super wasting their efforts, and it also serves as a very fast pregnancy test. The only question is whether it would detect the hormones kicked off by the fertilized egg (which are not all that strong) the hormones kicked of by the implanted embryo (which are a lot stronger) or the hormones kicked off by the ovaries after implantation is successful (which is what the current IRL urine home pregnancy tests pick up on.) This would determine how long you have to wait before you get it turning from green to orange. (A few hours for the 1st, a couple days for the 2nd , a couple weeks for the 3rd.) Jemini (talk) 06:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)