Talk:Mother's Helping Hand/Rules

Ok, since we are about to go the direction of actually implementing some of the sex scenes, I think we need to get straight what you mean by soft and hard rape and BDSM. I made a 1 to 10 scale of what would qualify as rape over on Lolicit once, and I meant to include BDSM material on it as well. (I wasn't informed enough on the subject at the time, but I have since expanded a little by doing an RP with a BDSM loving RP partner.) I can just link to that, and you can say the number on each scale that fits your preference. That way we actually do know where the line is. (Be nice to have a hard line and soft line. For instance, you are uncomfortable but will allow things past a 4, you will delete things past a 7. Something like that.) Anyway, I'm going to go search up that post I made now, will post it in once I find it. Jemini (talk) 03:03, 7 March 2020 (CET)

I just found the page and added the part for BDSM

https://www.lolicit.org/showthread.php?t=60368

It would be very helpful if you could give numbers for both rape and BDSM off this list on what would and would not be allowed. (and maybe take a look at the WS as well to see if there's a hard line on that, it would be a little weird to write without it even being an option to mention someone had to pee.) Jemini (talk) 03:40, 7 March 2020 (CET)

Also, with the way this is set up, it looks like 90% of all sex that occurs would meet my definition of soft rape at the most mild. The mother coercing some girl, or otherwise having the situation set up so that, once the MC chooses a girl, she's getting a vagina full of the MC's semen and there is no option for her not to. Yes, he could potentially seduce her and get her consent, but the dialogue between the mother and son we have so far where all the women Jack chooses are instantly sex toys in the mother's mind suggests that's not going to be the standard. So, that makes it a little strange to say that "soft rape" is discouraged, and then turn around and encourage it with every single line of dialogue that comes out of the mother's mouth. Jemini (talk) 03:49, 7 March 2020 (CET)

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What is happening so far with the mother, to me isn't rape at all, it's sexual fantasy, as the female isn't even involved yet. I also do not consider verbal conditioning to be either rape or BDSM, but as a form if mind Control. Same with Mind Break, as long as it uses only verbal conditioning and or sex to get the result. Once you begin any physical act other than sexual penitration to degrade the other party it becomes Rape or BDSM depending on consent.

Also the conditioning is only done in the context of the sex, for example during the sex screens with Dannie, Mom will eventually start calling Dannie toy. Later she will explain to Jack that the name toy be used to indicate to Dannie that they are planning sex games, so that there is a distinct difference between interactions with Jack and Dannie normally and during sex play. Everything done to Dannie during sex is in the context of the game. Normal day to day interactions they are Jack and Dannie

To me there are three types of Rape:

Rape Play: A rape, played out in it's entirety, without any actual violence, though threats can happen, but don't always happen. Both parties are fully aware that it is a fantasy and no emotional harm cums to either party. However ooth parties are also aware that it is simulated rape.

Soft Rape: one party has indicated a reluctance to participate, however through coursion, alcohol, drugs, or some other means, other than Mind Control, the reluctant party becomes willing. In the end neither party is emotionally or physically harmed by the act. Levels 1-6 are permitted as long as they meet the caveat of eventual consent if reluctant before or during the sexual relationship.

Hard Rape: One party is an unwilling participant, or actions done during the sexual relationship, cause emotional or physical harm to one party, to cause them to no longer be a current or future willing participant. Basically level 7. The party has said no and still says no, and is now traumatized by the event.

Mind Control is not considered to be rape, by me and my rules, even in situations where the victim outwardly enjoyed it but inwardly a part of them was left to hate it. Unless the victim was intentionally released from control and left with full knowledge of what happened, at which point it is treated as rape.

Water Sports: Level one and two is permitted for non-sexual resons and no graphic details. Level 3 is permitted for Disciplinary reasons, with no graphic details of the discharge and no sexual gratification is caused by interacting with the discharge.

Light BDSM is Level 3 and below.

For Rape and BDSM it comes down to physical. Mainly I don't want to read about the MC beating a girl into submission and leaving a traumatized wreck in his wake. Most of the stuff found in Life Hacks and Disciplinary action are acceptable as most encounters ended with the girl enjoying or accepting the sex.

I also won't immediately delete anything, I will consider most things on a case by case basis and give the author an opportunity to remove content I do not enjoy from their post themselves.

As an avid fan of both Life Hacks and Disciplinary Action, I understand the source of the questions. And can honestly say most content found there would be allowed. Telgar (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2020 (PST)