Talk:Mother's Helping Hand/Rules
Ok, since we are about to go the direction of actually implementing some of the sex scenes, I think we need to get straight what you mean by soft and hard rape and BDSM. I made a 1 to 10 scale of what would qualify as rape over on Lolicit once, and I meant to include BDSM material on it as well. (I wasn't informed enough on the subject at the time, but I have since expanded a little by doing an RP with a BDSM loving RP partner.) I can just link to that, and you can say the number on each scale that fits your preference. That way we actually do know where the line is. (Be nice to have a hard line and soft line. For instance, you are uncomfortable but will allow things past a 4, you will delete things past a 7. Something like that.) Anyway, I'm going to go search up that post I made now, will post it in once I find it. Jemini (talk) 03:03, 7 March 2020 (CET)
I just found the page and added the part for BDSM
https://www.lolicit.org/showthread.php?t=60368
It would be very helpful if you could give numbers for both rape and BDSM off this list on what would and would not be allowed. (and maybe take a look at the WS as well to see if there's a hard line on that, it would be a little weird to write without it even being an option to mention someone had to pee.) Jemini (talk) 03:40, 7 March 2020 (CET)
Also, with the way this is set up, it looks like 90% of all sex that occurs would meet my definition of soft rape at the most mild. The mother coercing some girl, or otherwise having the situation set up so that, once the MC chooses a girl, she's getting a vagina full of the MC's semen and there is no option for her not to. Yes, he could potentially seduce her and get her consent, but the dialogue between the mother and son we have so far where all the women Jack chooses are instantly sex toys in the mother's mind suggests that's not going to be the standard. So, that makes it a little strange to say that "soft rape" is discouraged, and then turn around and encourage it with every single line of dialogue that comes out of the mother's mouth. Jemini (talk) 03:49, 7 March 2020 (CET)
What is happening so far with the mother, to me isn't rape at all, it's sexual fantasy, as the female isn't even involved yet. I also do not consider verbal conditioning to be either rape or BDSM, but as a form if mind Control. Same with Mind Break, as long as it uses only verbal conditioning and or sex to get the result. Once you begin any physical act other than sexual penitration to degrade the other party it becomes Rape or BDSM depending on consent.
Also the conditioning is only done in the context of the sex, for example during the sex screens with Dannie, Mom will eventually start calling Dannie toy. Later she will explain to Jack that the name toy be used to indicate to Dannie that they are planning sex games, so that there is a distinct difference between interactions with Jack and Dannie normally and during sex play. Everything done to Dannie during sex is in the context of the game. Normal day to day interactions they are Jack and Dannie
To me there are three types of Rape:
Rape Play: A rape, played out in it's entirety, without any actual violence, though threats can happen, but don't always happen. Both parties are aware that it is a fantasy and no emotional harm cums to either party. However both parties are also aware that it is simulated rape. Or Mind Control or other conditioning is used after the fact to cause both parties to view the event as simulated rape.
Soft Rape: one party has indicated a reluctance to participate, however through coursion, alcohol, drugs, or some other means, the reluctant party becomes willing. In the end neither party is emotionally or physically harmed by the act. Levels 1-6 are permitted as long as they meet the caveat of eventual consent if reluctant before or during the sexual relationship.
Hard Rape: One party is an unwilling participant, or actions done during the sexual relationship, cause emotional or physical harm to one party, to cause them to no longer be a current or future willing participant. Basically level 7. The party has said no and still says no, and is now traumatized by the event.
Mind Control is not considered to be rape, by me and my rules, even in situations where the victim outwardly enjoyed it but inwardly a part of them was left to hate it. Unless the victim was intentionally released from control and left with full knowledge of what happened, at which point it is treated as rape.
Water Sports: Level one and two is permitted for non-sexual resons and no graphic details. Level 3 is permitted for Disciplinary reasons, with no graphic details of the discharge and no sexual gratification is caused by interacting with the discharge.
Light BDSM is Level 3 and below.
For Rape and BDSM it comes down to physical. Mainly I don't want to read about the MC beating a girl into submission and leaving a traumatized wreck in his wake. Most of the stuff found in Life Hacks and Disciplinary action are acceptable as most encounters ended with the girl enjoying or accepting the sex.
As an example from Life Hacks, the rape fantasy land hack changes rape to rape play, as long as no physical injury was used to get her submission. In that story the Main Character simply held down the girl, took what he wanted without hurting her, other than breaking her hymen, and then Mind Controled her after the fact to have enjoyed it. Though this would have fallen under hard rape, the Mind Control changed it to rape play or soft rape. Not something I greatly enjoy but acceptable.
I also won't immediately delete anything, I will consider most things on a case by case basis and give the author an opportunity to remove content I do not enjoy from their post themselves.
As an avid fan of both Life Hacks and Disciplinary Action, I understand the source of the questions. And can honestly say most content found there would be allowed. Telgar (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2020 (PST)
Note on main character transformation. I was reviewing the rules and noticed it was listed under discouraged Content. I do not remember putting it there so I moved it to banned. Jack is to remain Jack, the only transformation he will undergo is from beta to alpha.
Minor characters can be transformed or changed, but only for good plot reasons and not on a whim.
So, about the no fem-dom thing in the rules. The way it's written makes it look like the main objection is to having them dominate Jack. How about it it's lesbian fem-dom? Is it Ok to have some of that on screen? I'm thinking of having the Deverux sisters being switches for each other (both of them alternating dominant and submissive roles.) I was just trying to figure out how the force route would go, and realized it would most likely end up with them growing frustrated and then the sister steps in to punish the girl you were just going after "the right way." (effectively making the two of them a real handful and making it difficult to achieve sex with them even if they aren't rejecting him (completely) as their master.) Jemini (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2020 (CET)
(Also makes it so that him being weak with them is actually what would lead to the darker sexual route. Interesting and, I think, appropriate development.) Jemini (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2020 (CET)
You guessed it correctly. Fem Dom is acceptable as long as it's not aimed at a Main Character. Jack's mother is a Dom to everyone but Jack and the Moons. So yes having a woman dominate another woman to break her for Jack is not only acceptable but HOT.--Telgar (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2020 (CET)