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Ok, so, in response to a request you made a while back about writing up questions Xander would have for Loki next time he logged back in, I have been making a little bit of a mental list and will give you a few of the questions I have now (more may come up later.) Of course, this list assumes these questions have not already found their answer by interactions such as with Lisette (BTW: Is that name in any way inspired by Persona 4?) Anyway, here is what I have so far.

• Is this game considered in any way "child friendly?" (in addition to Lisette, he might also remember how much sex is in Norse and Greek mythology witch might answer this question for him.)
• How would your world consider the depraved things Xander has done/is thinking about doing, at least as part of their game.
• Would that opinion differ in any way from what the admins would think?
• How much are the morals of the world of this "life" simulation like the morals in Loki's world?
• What would the game admins think about me being self aware like this?
• What would the game admins think about me having these hacks and all?
• Just what kind of modifications have you done to my program?

Also, in the form of answers to a few of those questions, I think it would make sense that the game was designed so that lifies would dismiss and forget about conversations they heard between players that referenced things in the "real world." If a player decided they wanted to tell a Life about the truth, they would need to use the life controller to turn off the "adjust lifie memories," otherwise they will forget what they are told almost immediately. After this mod has been made, it has to be one on one, (cannot make a mass announcement,) and the programming will absolutely prevent that person from spreading the information around. Basically, a condition based program that prevents a player from messing up the simulation too much by informing the lifies, but still allows them to have a little fun having a few lifies "in the know." So far as this particular piece of programming goes, Loki probably left it mostly in tact to prevent the admins from finding out the other stuff he did with Xander's code. Anyway, more to come when I think about it. Jemini (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

So it's like the holodeck from Star Trek, and Xander is now like the self aware Moriarty character created to be Data's Sherlock Holmes nemisis? Other than Xander and possibly a VERY few Lifies in the know, everyone just ignores behavior and conversations that aren't in the programming (such as people playing with rubber ducks in public)? --Notsooldpervert (talk) 20:23, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

Decided we need to start putting down some guide-lines for what all the stats actually mean. I have started filling things out in regards to what sex acts they will consider and have gotten up to a score of 40. Haven't done anything with non sex acts, or sex acts that require scores higher than 40 other than the general overview version.Jemini (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

That was only an example of how the "progtamming" of the game automatically edits out things that don't fit in a real world situation. I guess a more appropriate comparison would be Neo returning to the Matrix to fly around. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 00:22, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Oh, in regards to my earlier thing about the program that prevents the lifies from spreading about information regarding the simulation nature of their world, once they have been informed they can interact with other players appropriately, they just can't bring other lifies into the know. So, spilling the beans to Lisette is an option. Xander just doesn't have the same method players have to bring a lifie into the know because a strong programmed in instinct will prevent him from doing so. Jemini (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Just came up with another thing for the values. It makes the whole thing a little more complicated, but it is more an effect of trying to reflect life and life just happens to be complicated. It is negative values to sexual inhibitions. Basically, modifiers that will lower the threshold of resistance to some of these sex acts. For instance, it would reduce Roni's resistance by 40% since she likes to go without panties, and Kizzie's resistance by 80% since she doesn't have much of a concept of body shame yet. Also, depending on how we set up Angel's and Bastian's characters, there are quite a few negatives we could attach to their sexual resistance as well by virtue of them being at that age where they get sexually curious. Those negatives are very dependent on their personality though, so I am not sure yet how many would apply. Jemini (talk) 02:07, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

I have to admit I am not that familiar with the life style. Does it include high levels of sexual promiscuity? If not, then 5% seems a little bit too low. It may accurately reflect the actual level of body shame a nudist would have, but so far as I was aware it was about nudity not necesarily meaning sex, and the mechanics there note low body shame as relating to being more sexually promiscuous as well. Jemini (talk) 02:46, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

I just did a massive overhaul to the mechanics on the consent minimums so that it is not all based on the romance score, rather other scores can be substituted if certain conditions are met. This makes it a whole lot simpler without all those little modifiers due to what some other score may be. (familial love still acts as a modifier for children 14 and under, but it is not as confusing as before.) With this modification, Xander could conceivably convince Roni to do a moderate sex act with him or Kizzie to do a hard-core sex act with him as their scores were from the start of the story. (Of course, he still has to approach them the right way.) What's more, this modification still fits reality, probably even closer than the old more complicated crap. Jemini (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Added taboo modifiers to the consent minimums. It includes about 3 taboos that Brittany would have against sex with Xander, all of witch would bring her requirements well over 100. EDIT: Also included a few taboos that can just about cancel out the negatives to sexual resistance for children. Keep in mind, I did note at the beginning of the taboo section that taboos will be at a different strength depending on the person and that the values I put in there are averages and guidelines rather than the rule. Jemini (talk) 18:38, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

All of this is assuming he doesn't just use the duck to lower their threshold. He's barely scratched the surface for altering others, so it's entirely concievable that there are sliders for most if not all interests. Make someone bi or gay instead of straight. Lowering someones disgust for incest to 0% would make them accept it going on around them but they wouldn't participate until their interest in the same was sufficiently raised. She doesn't like underage boys? Lower her fears and concerns while tweaking her interest and she'll "make an exception" for Xander without becoming a predetor. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Check out the park hotties. Since you are responsible for this option originally, I think I will leave the job to you for filling out NSP's request. (I linked the put on panties version since that is the exact version you created, I can make appropriate modifications to the actual one he requested, unless you actually want to go the pantiless route that is.) Jemini (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Tweaked the consent mechanics again, this time turning the body same stat from something that modifies scores downward to something that determines how hard or easy it is to groom someone to more easily accept more intense sex acts. With this, I think I am actually starting to get satisfied enough with this to add a write up of each character's sexual resistance factors, it seems to be getting pretty close to something workable and straight-forward. Of course, now this means we have to decide what sexual knowledge, curiosities, and taboos each character has, and that is a long list. I will start working on a design lay-out for it though and we can figure that out later, likely starting with Roni and Brittany. (also, the achievement in Xander's goals section is not connected to actually successfully grooming someone, rather it is him going through the motions whether he achieved it a long time ago or he still has a long way to go by the time he does something 10 times with them. 10 is just a reasonable number to demand of him, where as reality can get either too easy or WAY ridiculously too hard depending on body shame values.) Jemini (talk) 11:43, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Lol, you shouldn't wave somewhat arbitrary stat scores around in front of me. This is what happens. I try to make the numbers start meaning something. Jemini (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Well, at the very least I did try to keep one thing consistent. Those simple values on the main relationships page are still a simplified short-cut that can be used, and for the most part the information on that other more detailed page is just ways you can get it with lower scores legitimately. (actually though, once you calculate taboos in, I may have failed in that goal.) Jemini (talk) 17:09, 19 October 2016 (CEST)