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Ok, so, in response to a request you made a while back about writing up questions Xander would have for Loki next time he logged back in, I have been making a little bit of a mental list and will give you a few of the questions I have now (more may come up later.) Of course, this list assumes these questions have not already found their answer by interactions such as with Lisette (BTW: Is that name in any way inspired by Persona 4?) Anyway, here is what I have so far.

• Is this game considered in any way "child friendly?" (in addition to Lisette, he might also remember how much sex is in Norse and Greek mythology witch might answer this question for him.)
• How would your world consider the depraved things Xander has done/is thinking about doing, at least as part of their game.
• Would that opinion differ in any way from what the admins would think?
• How much are the morals of the world of this "life" simulation like the morals in Loki's world?
• What would the game admins think about me being self aware like this?
• What would the game admins think about me having these hacks and all?
• Just what kind of modifications have you done to my program?

Also, in the form of answers to a few of those questions, I think it would make sense that the game was designed so that lifies would dismiss and forget about conversations they heard between players that referenced things in the "real world." If a player decided they wanted to tell a Life about the truth, they would need to use the life controller to turn off the "adjust lifie memories," otherwise they will forget what they are told almost immediately. After this mod has been made, it has to be one on one, (cannot make a mass announcement,) and the programming will absolutely prevent that person from spreading the information around. Basically, a condition based program that prevents a player from messing up the simulation too much by informing the lifies, but still allows them to have a little fun having a few lifies "in the know." So far as this particular piece of programming goes, Loki probably left it mostly in tact to prevent the admins from finding out the other stuff he did with Xander's code. Anyway, more to come when I think about it. Jemini (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

So it's like the holodeck from Star Trek, and Xander is now like the self aware Moriarty character created to be Data's Sherlock Holmes nemisis? Other than Xander and possibly a VERY few Lifies in the know, everyone just ignores behavior and conversations that aren't in the programming (such as people playing with rubber ducks in public)? --Notsooldpervert (talk) 20:23, 17 October 2016 (CEST)

Decided we need to start putting down some guide-lines for what all the stats actually mean. I have started filling things out in regards to what sex acts they will consider and have gotten up to a score of 40. Haven't done anything with non sex acts, or sex acts that require scores higher than 40 other than the general overview version.Jemini (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

That was only an example of how the "progtamming" of the game automatically edits out things that don't fit in a real world situation. I guess a more appropriate comparison would be Neo returning to the Matrix to fly around. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 00:22, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Oh, in regards to my earlier thing about the program that prevents the lifies from spreading about information regarding the simulation nature of their world, once they have been informed they can interact with other players appropriately, they just can't bring other lifies into the know. So, spilling the beans to Lisette is an option. Xander just doesn't have the same method players have to bring a lifie into the know because a strong programmed in instinct will prevent him from doing so. Jemini (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Just came up with another thing for the values. It makes the whole thing a little more complicated, but it is more an effect of trying to reflect life and life just happens to be complicated. It is negative values to sexual inhibitions. Basically, modifiers that will lower the threshold of resistance to some of these sex acts. For instance, it would reduce Roni's resistance by 40% since she likes to go without panties, and Kizzie's resistance by 80% since she doesn't have much of a concept of body shame yet. Also, depending on how we set up Angel's and Bastian's characters, there are quite a few negatives we could attach to their sexual resistance as well by virtue of them being at that age where they get sexually curious. Those negatives are very dependent on their personality though, so I am not sure yet how many would apply. Jemini (talk) 02:07, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

I have to admit I am not that familiar with the life style. Does it include high levels of sexual promiscuity? If not, then 5% seems a little bit too low. It may accurately reflect the actual level of body shame a nudist would have, but so far as I was aware it was about nudity not necesarily meaning sex, and the mechanics there note low body shame as relating to being more sexually promiscuous as well. Jemini (talk) 02:46, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

I just did a massive overhaul to the mechanics on the consent minimums so that it is not all based on the romance score, rather other scores can be substituted if certain conditions are met. This makes it a whole lot simpler without all those little modifiers due to what some other score may be. (familial love still acts as a modifier for children 14 and under, but it is not as confusing as before.) With this modification, Xander could conceivably convince Roni to do a moderate sex act with him or Kizzie to do a hard-core sex act with him as their scores were from the start of the story. (Of course, he still has to approach them the right way.) What's more, this modification still fits reality, probably even closer than the old more complicated crap. Jemini (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Added taboo modifiers to the consent minimums. It includes about 3 taboos that Brittany would have against sex with Xander, all of witch would bring her requirements well over 100. EDIT: Also included a few taboos that can just about cancel out the negatives to sexual resistance for children. Keep in mind, I did note at the beginning of the taboo section that taboos will be at a different strength depending on the person and that the values I put in there are averages and guidelines rather than the rule. Jemini (talk) 18:38, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

All of this is assuming he doesn't just use the duck to lower their threshold. He's barely scratched the surface for altering others, so it's entirely concievable that there are sliders for most if not all interests. Make someone bi or gay instead of straight. Lowering someones disgust for incest to 0% would make them accept it going on around them but they wouldn't participate until their interest in the same was sufficiently raised. She doesn't like underage boys? Lower her fears and concerns while tweaking her interest and she'll "make an exception" for Xander without becoming a predetor. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 19:44, 18 October 2016 (CEST)

Check out the park hotties. Since you are responsible for this option originally, I think I will leave the job to you for filling out NSP's request. (I linked the put on panties version since that is the exact version you created, I can make appropriate modifications to the actual one he requested, unless you actually want to go the pantiless route that is.) Jemini (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Tweaked the consent mechanics again, this time turning the body same stat from something that modifies scores downward to something that determines how hard or easy it is to groom someone to more easily accept more intense sex acts. With this, I think I am actually starting to get satisfied enough with this to add a write up of each character's sexual resistance factors, it seems to be getting pretty close to something workable and straight-forward. Of course, now this means we have to decide what sexual knowledge, curiosities, and taboos each character has, and that is a long list. I will start working on a design lay-out for it though and we can figure that out later, likely starting with Roni and Brittany. (also, the achievement in Xander's goals section is not connected to actually successfully grooming someone, rather it is him going through the motions whether he achieved it a long time ago or he still has a long way to go by the time he does something 10 times with them. 10 is just a reasonable number to demand of him, where as reality can get either too easy or WAY ridiculously too hard depending on body shame values.) Jemini (talk) 11:43, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Lol, you shouldn't wave somewhat arbitrary stat scores around in front of me. This is what happens. I try to make the numbers start meaning something. Jemini (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

Well, at the very least I did try to keep one thing consistent. Those simple values on the main relationships page are still a simplified short-cut that can be used, and for the most part the information on that other more detailed page is just ways you can get it with lower scores legitimately. (actually though, once you calculate taboos in, I may have failed in that goal.) Jemini (talk) 17:09, 19 October 2016 (CEST)

For the sake of the sexual resistance modifiers, I have been trying to think up a sexual history for everybody that might make things a little less flat and have some interesting dynamics to play with. (also something that makes the story more interesting in allowing those dynamics to play out.) What I was thinking was that 4 years ago, when Charity was 11 and "at that age," she instigated a little bit of "playing doctor" with all the kids on the mom's side who are younger than her (so excluding Brittany and Xander.) Nothing too raunchy, just showing privates, some hesitant touching of each other, and watching each other pee. She gets away with it for a few weeks to a month due to mom being so busy, but eventually it gets found out. (I can't decide whether it is Brittany or Xander that catch them.) After that, it gets back to the mother and hell rains down on Charity's head since she is correctly figured as the instigator behind all this while the other three are lectured that it is wrong and Brittany as the oldest is basically given a mandate by the mother to keep a very close eye on them from now on. Just having everyone be sexually pure before the events of the story start appeals to a certain human instinct to want pure untouched virgins, but something just a little dirty like this avoids putting those types (of witch I am actually included) off too badly while at the same time adding a little more depth that makes this world feel lived in, and thus increases the appeal. So, what do you think of this idea? Jemini (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

I have kinda copied your idea for collecting requests on EOTW (I mentioned I wanted to seek requests previously). I have linked Life Hacks in the information block, as a reference to where the format came from and as a courtesy for having copied it from there. However, I wanted to check if you are happy for me to keep that up? If not, I will happily take it down and hopefully tidy up my talk page to be able to take them there. Let me know either way :) Jackmaster (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2016 (BST) (I assume that is meant to e a reference to the time zone?)

Sure, whatever makes you more comfortable. Again, your story, (even though I have sort of gone hog wild with the background mechanics.) At any rate, I have started to make the character sexual bios and have finished Roni's. I am sort of planning to have her as the easiest target by having an innocent form of draw toward sex once the right triggers are in place, Kizzie being next having a very low resistance, Bastian being 3rd, Angel 4th, Rahne 5th, and then I haven't figured the difficulty scale for the adults and Charity yet. However, if you see anything in there that makes you uncomfortable, let me know before I try to write something based on it. Jemini (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

Ok, just tried to change it according to what you said and ran into a problem. I can't think of a good synonym to "occupy" that will fill the purpose.Jemini (talk) 15:37, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

March on Wall Street? Similar theme, different event? --Notsooldpervert (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2016 (CEST) Edit: Never mind. Tie Up Wall Steet works pretty good. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

Ok then, FOR NOW I really am done with Roni's write-up, at least so far as to use her as the prototype template to serve as the example for how others will be written up. I was pretty surprised when I went to crunch the final numbers on everything I wrote in for her, she is pretty much max/minned to be easy to approach a very specific way, because all her final numbers for resistance modifiers were positive, including the average of all the conditional modifiers, witch implies she is hard to approach sexually. You wouldn't know this to look at the break-down though. Jemini (talk) 18:50, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

I look forward to seeing him seduce (or better yet allowing himself to be seduced) by some of the older women (mostly Patricia Wells and Officer Mary so far, but step mom is a likely candidate once she sees his improved looks) --Notsooldpervert (talk) 22:43, 20 October 2016 (CEST)

Oi, I forgot about the pre-existing relationship stats when I wrote that. No, what I meant was in terms of the modifiers making them easier to seduce. And actually, I am going to have to flip Rahne and Angel's positions with that in mind, because I was for some reason suddenly considering the relationship stats when I categorized her as 5th. No, Angel is going to be the hardest to approach in terms of modifiers because I am thinking that where Roni was so young the concepts went over her head when she was told it was wrong, Angel developed a little bit of a complex over it having the dynamic opposite reaction. Actually, Rhane may even be an easier approach in terms of modifiers than Bastian, the only issue is the low starting relationship stats witch mean she is going to take a LOT more work (Unless the duck is used to fix that problem.) Jemini (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2016 (CEST)

For the Aunt in the Wells family, I was thinking it might be interesting for her to be Patricia's minor-aged sister and possibly she could also go to Xander's school. 16 would make her about half Patricia's age, so she would have been 17 when the Aunt was born. Not at all unheard of. For one reason or another, their parents could no longer take care of her, so Patricia became her youngest sister's legal guardian. It would be especially interesting if she is aware of, but not aquainted with Xander, and says nothing about him being her high-school schoolmate until after she discovers her older sister/legal guardian is having sex with him. (Also, for a future talking point for Xander, the actual scientifically proven healthiest dietary lifestyles are the Medetarinian diet and the Japanese diet, this being a natural proof in the form of those two regions producing the highest number of centigenarians (people who live to be over age 100) and highest number of healthy and fit elderly of any other region on the planet. One thing common to both of them is fish meat, witch might be the kind of meat he could convince her to introduce into the children's diet.) Jemini (talk) 11:25, 21 October 2016 (CEST)

I wrote up a sexual history and sexual interests for Trish based on what you said about her current attitudes toward child rearing in her general write-up. The problem is that I am having a hard time figuring out what to put in for her resistances now. I was thinking she might be the single easiest adult to get with, but she can't have no resistances what so ever. Anyway, part of the stuff I put in was that just like her stuff with diet and cleaning, she also has some strange ideas about child sexuality (that would make it a little easier for Xander to get with them with Trish's full knowledge and approval so long as he takes the right steps.) As usual, let me know what you think. Jemini (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2016 (CEST)

Got a start on Dante. Most of that may come from my previously mentioned compunction for at least the children in the story to have a level of purity, but I think that it will make for good story writing for the sake of appealing to readers for the player to be responsible for all sex acts he engages in including the ones he does with his sister, or possibly Roni if she is involved, without prompting. Jemini (talk) 22:51, 21 October 2016 (CEST)

I had a thought after you mentioned Dante being set up for trap fetish. What if Billy was a female trap? As in, her dad who has a real issue with girls and wanted a son raised her as a boy and then beat all this chauvinism stuff into her in order to make her less likely to identify with her female gender. It would be interesting for Xander to find out about this by attempting to use the duck to change Billy to a girl to see how "he" reacts, but is stunned to see that she already is. Jemini (talk) 23:59, 21 October 2016 (CEST)

My reasoning with Billie's dad is that he had his break right here and now with how much he was humiliated by Xander. Although, I suppose even then it may have been taking it a little far. Jemini (talk) 06:35, 22 October 2016 (CEST)

By Patricia's comment of "you can shower," I am going to assume HER meaning is for both you and Roni to shower together. That would make sense for her. Would also be a fun surprise for the readers to drive in exactly what her views on sexuality are. EDIT: Also that brings up the interesting question of what is done with the duck in the meantime. Since he is going to shower, he could probably bring it with him. Jemini (talk) 02:21, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

-Sigh- No problem. Although, I DID just quickly write up the set-up just now, and would have posted it by now if I hadn't seen that comment when I came back on. It's Ok though, I actually do enjoy your participation in this. It feels lonely if I seem to be writing everything. At any rate, I just created a page off of my user profile for temporary entries for exactly this situation. I will let you have a look at what I made just in case it changes anything. User:Jemini/Temporary story page Jemini (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

Yeah, after seeing what you wrote I think they both work out pretty well, although I think this time it is you who is presenting Xander's reaction better. It actually makes me uncomfortable with mine now. I will probably edit mine at some point before including it, unless you want to base your own version of the borrowed cloths route off of mine, the key points being he decides his shower partner before entering the house and meeting the girls, and Dante doesn't want to shower with Roni. In the mean time, I will probably start writing for him taking Roni to the shower, and that will probably be it for the day until I get off work. If I come back and see you haven't done anything, then I will start thinking of how to edit that one to make Xander's reaction more like the one you wrote (because, again, I think yours is better in that specific regard.) Jemini (talk) 03:34, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

I just did my response to "shower alone" off of the nude after route. That's about what it would look like. Again, my major inferiority complex here comes 100% from Xander's reaction in the situation in yours Vs. mine, yours for that scene is just better and I want to either have mine brought up a level to include something like that for the clothed after route, or I wouldn't really be at all upset if you were to just do your version of clothed after and we can just add in the same thing I just did for the "shower alone" part. Jemini (talk) 03:59, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

No, never mind. I just saw the splice you did. THAT actually looks pretty darn good. And better than the thing I did with "shower alone" because then there is the option for him to put his foot down on the subject. Jemini (talk) 04:02, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

Ok, just made the 1st part of the lead up to the shower with Roni. With that, as fun and interesting as this is, I should probably start getting ready for work. (BTW: My thoughts on those 3 routes are option 1 increases Roni's submissiveness, option 2 increases Roni's trust, and option 3 increases Patricia's dominance as she figures Xander is every bit as body shy as Roni and she has to persuade him as well.) Jemini (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2016 (CEST)

Yeah, that's perfect. I would like to say though to only use that on posts we are currently actively writing on, that way it is open to the other until then. Really, I do think you are too hard on yourself. You do write some pretty good material. Actually, I think the very best material out of either of us comes when we are both working on the same branch, we seem to play off of each other well. At least, I often find my material starts to feel a little stale if it is on a branch where I am the only one working. So, so long as you do not see my Claimed mark on something, feel free to write on it.

Actually, now that I see what a ridiculous number of points can be gotten for a single hard core sex act, I think I really should modify Xander's rewards a little bit. Probably nothing too extreme, and it will probably not effect much with what has been written so far (Including that ridiculous cache,) maybe just chop down the number of times and circumstances Xander's 1st time bonus can count because that was what got that sky high number for him. I do actually think huge numbers like that are Ok so long as they are a one time sort of thing. Jemini (talk) 14:57, 24 October 2016 (CEST)

Like you said, it's only a huge reward when it's the first time. Did he get a reward for his own first time having sex? Most of that can't happen for a first time again. Besides, I REALLY want some of those rewards and they're expensive lol --Notsooldpervert (talk) 15:08, 24 October 2016 (CEST)

@Notsooldpervert That's actually the exact reason why I made it so easy to get points via Xander's rewards. It makes sense for them to take so long from a game mechanics sense for the general players, but proper game mechanics don't make for a good text story, so I figured it would be appropriate to use Xander's unique situation to speed up the process. I think I am mostly thinking of reducing the 1st time bonuses because this event proved to me that we don't actually need as many as I gave him to achieve the effect I wanted, so I am dumping them for the sake of streamlining the system. (also, no he did not get the points for his own first time. I meant to give that to him originally, but now that I realized I missed it I am debating over whether or not I should save that for a full vaginal insertion.) Jemini (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2016 (CEST)

Ok, finally got Bastian's sexual interests done. I decided he is such a trouble maker, especially for Charity, because he subconsciously enjoyed being sexually dominated by her 4 years ago and now he is a sexual submissive. Currently prefers girls, but that can easily be turned around if Xander gives him what he really wants. Jemini (talk) 21:32, 25 October 2016 (CEST)

Aaand, now Xander's 1st time rewards have been satisfactorily nerfed. I think Roni's route where he beats up Hank is the only route that will have to be corrected, fortunately the system for this game demands good note taking so it should be easy to correct.

Just posted the text portion for the start of Dante's sex-change route. I have got to run out the door to get to work now though so unfortunately I don't have time to do the template editing or figure up rewards.Jemini (talk) 06:44, 26 October 2016 (CEST)

Decided to gather a few ideas I had into a guide to writing better interactive stories. Didn't know what the best place for that was. I suppose it could have fit under non-adult, but hardly anyone would have seen it there, and it does sort of fit the description of "meta" since it is a written work about stories. Anyway, if you like it then somewhere on the main pages may just be a better place for it. (although, again, that would probably reduce the number of people to see it.) Also, I just thought of a problem with the whole abandoned library idea for the Holiday family. Libraries are usually near the center of town near other major official city buildings. As such, it wouldn't even be zoned as to allow it to be converted into a private residence. Jemini (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2016 (CEST)

Directed @Jemini The library idea works fine. The city I live in has the downtown library, but then several subsidiary ones in the suburbs. It would be easy for the city to re-zone and auction off the properties.