Talk:Life of a Norse God
First off, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all buzzkill, so please don't take the following questions to be insulting or confrontational, as that is not my intent.
Are we talking Marvel (lack of) Accuracy or Mythological Accuracy? I just ask because what I know of the mythological Loki is that he is Half-Æsir (God), Half-Jötunn (Giant) and blood brother to Odin (well, I know a LOT more than that, but I digress), while Marvel has him as Odin's adopted son . . . and don't get me started on how they messed up Thor and Sif . . .
The only daughter of his that has high mention in mythology is Hel, whose mother is a Jötunn (and not Loki's Jötunn wife Sigyn, I might add), making any incestuous issue between Loki (50% Æsir/50% Jötunn) and Hel (25% Æsir/75% Jötunn) therefore 37.5% Æsir / 62.5% Jötunn . . . so I'm uncertain where the Elf lineage you are speaking of (as the Norse fairies were elves) is coming from. Is that another Marvel thing? Also the Jötnar are equal to the Æsir and Vanir, and are basically another race of gods, so the issue would be a full god instead of a demi-god, as none of the races are elves, dwarves (which are actually called dark elves), or humans.
I only ask because I absolutely LOVE Norse Mythology, and would love to read a story based on it; but I am not nearly as familiar with Marvel's mutilation of the mythology. --Elerneron (talk) 07:04, 25 October 2016 (CEST)
Edit: My bad I just needed to read further. I'll be back after I have. Sorry. --Elerneron (talk) 07:06, 25 October 2016 (CEST)
Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that it is tangental to the mythology? It's based off of myth with the only original mythological character introduced so far being Loki himself . . . is that correct? Or did I miss one of Loki's mythological liaisons in my study of Norse mythology? . . . because then I would have to flog myself. --Elerneron (talk) 07:19, 25 October 2016 (CEST)
I'm fairly sure it's tangential and based more off of Marvel with a little more drawn from the original myths. I'm pretty sure the Norsemen didn't do beautiful blonde elves either (weren't all their elves the dark variety?). O was treating it more like Percy Jackson than trying to adhere to "accuracy" of mythology. Just my take on it. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 14:15, 25 October 2016 (CEST)
There are two races of elves in Norse mythology. The ælves live in Ælfhiemr, and the dark ælves (dwarves) live in Svartælfhiemr. Oddly when anglicizing the word ælf becomes elf, but Ælfhiemr and Svartælfhiemr become Alfhiem and Svartalfhiem. Elves are reported to be beautiful or "fairer than the sun to look at". The dark elves (dwarves) live under the earth and are described as "swarthy" (dark-skinned). They mine and work in forges, creating better metalwork than can any other race, including the gods. They are also the first mortals to exist as they sprang to existence from nothingness burrowing through the corpse of Ymir, the frost giant that became the world. Some have posited that the Vanir race of gods are intended to be the gods of the ælves as the Æsir race of gods are the gods of mankind. The Æsir and the Vanir had a long war that ended with an exchange of hostages. Freyr and Freya are the Vanir gods that are "hostages", living with the Æsir as part of their group. They are treated as equals to their Æsir "captors" but are never allowed to return to the Vanir on threat of war. --Elerneron (talk) 19:11, 25 October 2016 (CEST)
-- The confusion involving this is all completely my fault. If I had to describe the story, I would have to say it's the nature of Marvel's Loki, with the actual background of mythological Loki. I'm not very well versed on Norse mythology, Greek is more my thing, but I was thinking of making it more accurate to the myths for the sake of me being a perfectionist. While writing what I have so far, I read up a bit on Loki, his wife, his children, and a few other things, but my characters are completely original. I could write about actual gods and beings, but I don't think the story would go very far, since I'm not very well versed with Norse myths. -- Kitkatevermore (talk) 05:51, 26 October 2016 (CEST)
Thank you for the clarification. Just so you know, in Norse mythology, Loki was a very positive ally of the Æsir in mythology, not really a dick at all, until he became jealous of the attention (undeserved in Loki's mind) that was given to Baldr. Once he engineered Baldr's death, he became an enemy of the Æsir. Only then did he become a "dick". (Though I can understand the misunderstanding because Marvel's Loki is a dick.)
Before that he was a troublemaker, sure, but always made up for his jokes; in VERY big ways. He gave more than he took, by far. He got Asgard built for FREE. When he shaved Sif's beautiful blonde hair as a joke, he replaced it with hair of actual growing gold from the dwarves which lead to him getting Mjolnr, and a boat that I don't remember the name of that could fold up and fit in one's pocket. He got these things for the gods for FREE from the dwarves . . . well, HE paid for it by having to endure having his mouth sewn shut.
He got nothing for his efforts, EVER, but the gods benefited greatly. Then they all heaped their praises on Baldr, who got the gods exactly NOTHING; but he was nice and handsome and could sing pretty. If one knows the mythology one might more easily see things from Loki's perspective. His tricks were annoying, but his rewards were GREAT.
Loki is not a villain, he is a hero that is turned into a villain through lack of appreciation. A far cry from what Stan Lee did to him by turning him into an actual villain . . . but Stan Lee mutilated the whole of Norse Mythology when translating it to a comic. (Some of the biggest errors are that Thor is known for his RED hair and thick BEARD; and Sif, Thor's WIFE was always known for her GOLDEN hair, even before it was real gold. Loki was Odin's BEST FRIEND, not a son, and not a subordinate but a comrade.)
But I digress, I will enjoy your story for what it is, now that I know its basis. --Elerneron (talk) 06:25, 26 October 2016 (CEST)