Talk:Disciplinary Action/Disciplinary Office/First Week/Smoking/Burst In/Thiana/Office/Interrogate/Options/Impregnate

I have sort of been suggesting it in some of the other threads, but I actually have this route planned as a bad ending unless, when you go to the part where you carry out the punishment, you mention something about how it's justified by the similarly harsh punishment Liliana and Matt received. So, not necessarily a bad ending to give her this punishment, it's just that it has to be justified properly and have the headmaster on your side. Jemini (talk) 14:23, 27 September 2017 (CEST)

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Great idea. I'm really loving what you're doing to the story, I had doubts that the format of going back to a starting point over and over would not work, but it appears to be getting the story moving and preventing it from branching too much (which was my main fear when starting an interactive story).

I don't know if you've thought about this far in the process, but the guidelines actually have a provision that any pregnant girl will be transferred to a special class out of school. This was made to ensure current students believed getting pregnant implied getting expelled from school (and going to the whorehouse), thus increasing their fear.

Also, few girls that age already have regular periods, it's common during puberty to skip one just for hormonal reasons, so a girl can't be really sure she's pregnant just because she missed a few periods. Most pregnancy tests can give a good result 7 days after conception, but there is no need to let the girl know so soon. For a first pregnancy, the girl won't recognize the symptoms and can take her up to two months to be sure she's pregnant (after three months, her baby bump will make it obvious to her, and after 4-5 months it will be obvious to anyone). So an extended punishment can be to delay how soon you let her know if she's pregnant (and her life is ruined) or if she dodged the bullet that time. --Tod Naturlich (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2017 (CEST)

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Another thing on the note of the prolonged punishments is that there is actually a statistic that an astronomical 80% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, and most of that in the 1st trimester. Being under stress, such as being subject to repeated rapes defined as punishment, and the abnormal hormones of being this age are both things that increase the chance of miscarriage. This is a little uncomfortable to talk about, but my mother was actually sexually molested by her father (my grandfather.) This went from before she even hit puberty straight through till she moved out of the house at 18. She was not on birth control and to her knowledge at the time she somehow did not get pregnant as a result of his abuse. Truth is, she probably did, several times, and all of them ended in 1st-trimester miscarriages. So, that's another thing.

Chances are, the protagonist probably has a better chance of impregnating Pearl by having sex with her exactly once than he does of impregnating Tihana or Liliana by having sex with both of them daily for the remainder of the school year. Or rather, of either of them carrying past the 1st trimester anyway. (That could be something the Nurse could add to the guidelines now that she's more or less on board, to regard a pregnancy as a pregnancy only after the baby bump starts showing rather than relying on a pregnancy test.) Jemini (talk) 05:55, 28 September 2017 (CEST)

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I didn't know about the first trimester miscarriages, or how emotions can greatly increase this chance, and I'm torn about including it in the story. I just wanted the protagonist to have another tool for extending the anxiety of the girls: if they behave, they can take a pregnancy test early on and be done with it; if they don't, then they have to suffer in doubt for weeks or months wondering if they dodge the bullet (since even having regular sex, there is only a 30% chance of getting pregnant, I assumed many would dodge the bullet several times).

I'm guessing we could simply say that Andrea's treatment somehow addresses this problem (it is, after all, a fertility treatment, so it's not unusual that it addressed something so common), but I have doubts about removing another element of realism from the story.

I found a page where they give a somewhat less extreme statistic (hxxps://www.verywell.com/making-sense-of-miscarriage-statistics-2371721), there it says that about 75% of conceptions end in miscarriage, but only 30% of implantations end in miscarriage (with 80% of all miscarriages being first trimester miscarriages), that would mean only 25% of implantations end up in first trimester miscarriage.

How do you suggest we treat this in the story? --Tod Naturlich (talk) 06:40, 28 September 2017 (CEST)