Talk:Disciplinary Action/Disciplinary Office/First Quarter/Letter/window/Parents/School/front

I'm not completely sure I like Mrs. Varano turning out to be such a slut. Sure, she doesn't like the town, she resent them for a lot and she has a lot of guilt feelings over the suicide of his husband and her affair with the headmaster. But from not caring that the children in the community turn out pregnant to actually wanting to participate I feel it a bit of a stretch. I always felt she derived more pleasure from knowing the children were being defiled than from actually seeing it or participating on it.

As you said, it's starting to appear that "this whole fucking town is a bunch of pedophiles", and that is something I didn't intended. John is a pedophile, as well as Mrs. Walton, but other than that people just have their particular attractions, not especially towards children. Beatriz wants John and her daughters' happiness, and is willing to rationalize that they can be happy with him. Tihana's parents don't care about her, so they see John as a good excuse to get rid of her (or at least that's what I understand from Jemini's writting), Mr. Loso likes young girls, but only about 15 or so. The headmaster is in the closet, and willing to do it with boys as an "acceptable" excuse. Perhaps the only other pedophile would be Ashton, and maybe he's more interested in incest than actual children. --Tod Naturlich (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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I got the idea of Mrs. Varano, from earlier things where she got excited about John impregnating Tihana, her extreme reaction to having sex with her son and some subtler hints in other areas. I see it as a repressed sexual thing that is being expressed with the children because as of right now that is the only outlet. Eventually as the townsfolk begin to express themselves more sexually, other perversions will come out, this is jut the first. Hence why I have the MC thinking about the subject so much. I don't see Mrs. Varano being a slut or even wanting to have sex with the children herself as much as she is becoming a voyeur, enjoying the corruption of those around her. It starts with the kids and expands as more kinks are revealed in the town, it also does not help that John is pushing her to react this way, many people do and say things they regret, during the heat of passion. However in the end it is your story and if you want I will tone it down. Telgar (talk) 20:19, 29 December 2017 (PST)

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I don't really see it as everyone being a pedophile, more like the repressed sexual energy is about to break the damn, and people can't help but live vicariously as the MC gets to "officially" do something so taboo. They all have their own kinks and perversions that they keep hidden, and the more he does openly the more they pretend they can do the same. That said, I do think that these story lines might be better starting the second semester, not the second month. Perhaps after Tiahna and what's her name... the principle's daughter, are publicly known to be pregnant things will really start to loosen up, especially if he knocks up a couple of others without the forced impregnation punishment. It's possible to knock them up cumming on the outside of their little pussy (though highly unlikely).

As for Mrs. Varano, I can see her getting to this point by listening in on the punishments and at least getting to the point she wants to watch him defile them. I think if it can be arranged for her to do more with her sons, she'd be more than willing to report her own daughter for minor things at home (once the new rules are in place) just as an excuse to get her involved. I see her starting small so she has to get naked in front of him, then something else small that lets him touch her... just a series of small infractions that start to add up because she comes to like knowing her daughter is being molested the same way she was "forced" to molest her boys. I do think she should have to do more with them first to "loosen her up" like forcing them to orgasm from a dildo in the ass and sucking them off or making them eat her out. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:59, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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It's our story, I'm just another author, I express my opinion and I expect you to do the same, then we can reach an agreement. I do have some bad experience reading erotic stories where they lose me after they get too much over the top in sexual situations, beyond where I can maintain my suspension of disbelief. That is something I don't want to happen to this one, at least too fast. The story has a scheduled length of one school year, beginning in September, and by the end of the year I wound't mind that people were fucking in the streets. But right now we're only a month or two into the story, where Tihana's punishment is seen as a extraordinary thing and people are only starting to get used to even know what is happening. I mean, the children hadn't even had a big break to spill the beans at home of all they have seen.

Back to the issue at hand, I got the impression from what I read that Mrs. Varano wanted to actually participate in the rape of the girls, and that is what struck me as odd. If all she wants is to see it, and derives pleasure from watching as you say, that is something I can understand. Perhaps the only thing would be to have her being a little bit more discrete about her horniness before John tells her to cut the bullshit, and only after that have her come out, perhaps a bit ashamed of being discovered, mixed with her eagerness.

The one thing I'm really not seeing is her offering her daughter. It's clear she loves her children, and she even went with her daughter to the nurse to make sure the treatment wouldn't do anything to her, so I think her daughter would be off-limits to her (at least at first, who knows what can happen during the year).--Tod Naturlich (talk) 06:05, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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Yes on both parts. The way I was seeing it was, after a month of seeing all the children going into his room day after day, and having had sex with her own son, her desire and curiosity built up more and more. Unlike everyone else in town, she sees it the most. She reads every punishment card, sees every child that goes into his room, coordinates the special classes, watches the results of the punishments, seeing girls come out of the room in various stages of undress and some seriously well fucked, etc. As for offering her daughter, that was Johns interpretation, all she actually said was she would be more inclined to trust him with disciplining her daughter if she witnessed how he did it with others. I think it would be hilarious if someone took the first choice, had the MC say he would accept her daughter only to have her get angry at him for assuming that was what she meant. I see the corruption hitting John first, then Mrs. Varano, his sister, then The headmaster and School Nurse, then teachers, parents and finally everyone else. It's a matter of exposure. Some parents are better with their children than others, parents like Ms. Franklin will embrace their children's punishment, as she is jealous of them and hates her husband, anything that hurts them hurts him. Others will be hateful towards John for what he does with their children and will try ANYTHING to "save them" from him. Just my thoughts, and why things were written the way they were. Telgar (talk) 20:30, 29 December 2017 (PST)

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I don't really see it as everyone being a pedophile, more like the repressed sexual energy is about to break the damn, and people can't help but live vicariously as the MC gets to "officially" do something so taboo. They all have their own kinks and perversions that they keep hidden, and the more he does openly the more they pretend they can do the same. That said, I do think that these story lines might be better starting the second semester, not the second month. Perhaps after Tiahna and what's her name... the principle's daughter, are publicly known to be pregnant things will really start to loosen up, especially if he knocks up a couple of others without the forced impregnation punishment. It's possible to knock them up cumming on the outside of their little pussy (though highly unlikely).

As for Mrs. Varano, I can see her getting to this point by listening in on the punishments and at least getting to the point she wants to watch him defile them. I think if it can be arranged for her to do more with her sons, she'd be more than willing to report her own daughter for minor things at home (once the new rules are in place) just as an excuse to get her involved. I see her starting small so she has to get naked in front of him, then something else small that lets him touch her... just a series of small infractions that start to add up because she comes to like knowing her daughter is being molested the same way she was "forced" to molest her boys. I do think she should have to do more with them first to "loosen her up" like forcing them to orgasm from a dildo in the ass and sucking them off or making them eat her out. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:59, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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I agree, also some of the more extreme examples are starting to surface with some of the families, because the really bad seeds, like Ms. Franklin, that have been hiding in the shadows, are now seeing their opportunity to really hurt people they don't like. Even if those people are their own families or neighbors families. Also those truly sadistic fucks who just love hurting others, that seem to thrive in these tyrannical societies, will also use the opportunities provided to use John to really hurt some girls. In the latter cases, I see John as the Anti-Hero who has to do what he has to do, but tries to lessen the negative impact on the girls and even goes so far as to try and ensure that enjoy the experience. which is how I would like to see the Franklin girls story line play out.

I did make a few minor changes to the page following this one, taking Tod's requests into account, removing Mr. Varano's mention of her daughter giggles making her think of John and having her be a bit more stressed about being a bad mom.Telgar (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2017 (PST)

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Well, with this in the open, my doubts are appeased, so let the (slow) corruption continue! By the way, I'm gonna be the first to request that first choice, it's high time something doesn't go according to John's. I had planned some concerned citizens to ambush him and beat him somewhere in the future, but if small things have equilibrated his good luck, then the beating can be just half to dead, so this is a good opportunity for him to accumulate some bad experiences.

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I could even see the community "leaders" being the most perverted and tyranical of the lot. It's also quite possible that they control their whole isolated county so that the sheriff and chief of police are on board with the new rule. Especially if forced impregnation of the two girls who have earned it so far, actually improves their behavior.

The new phrasing greatly reduces the chance of misunderstanding Mrs. Varano's offer of her daughter. It does, however, offer the opportunity to do small things, and i can see her at least wanting to get her daughter naked for John, even if she's not ready for her to have sex yet. These things have a sbowball effect, where the more you do, the more you want to do.

I can see some parents being angry early on, but if all of the community leaders send out a letter supporting further powers for him, i think they'd be too intimidated to try a beating. More like taking a shot at him lol. Of course if they get prosecuted severely enough, there wouldn't be too many attempts. A town that controlled you'd see more passive/aggressive rebelion where they agree in public, but don't turn their kids in for being bad.--Notsooldpervert (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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Very true, another thing to consider, is if this beating was to occur or any other action against John, "To protect the kids" in the end it would be the kids that would be punished. Under the original and expanded in the new rules, any infraction commuted, for or at the behest of a child (to include attacking John to prevent him from caring out his duties), will only result in the child receiving the punishment. Also with the differed punishment rules, the punishment the offending adult would, receive for attacking John, could be differed to another child. So any attack against John would result in two or more children being placed in his care for punishment. Also under the guise of the differed punishment rules, adults and children normally too young to be under his influence, can receive punishment for children or adults who are unable to receive that punishment.

As an example, one of the original plot paths I was planing with the McGregor's, but dropped, involved Mr. McGregor attacking John (with a Knife) in Johns office while he is reading the punishment for Kellie and Julie Mc Gregor. Kellie and Julie were to receive sexual servitude until Kellie was able to be impregnated, then both would be impregnated by John. Kellie because she committed vandalism of private property valued over $500 which is punishable by one year in prison and up to a $10,000 fine. Julie is being punished for child endangerment resulting in damage to private property because she left the children out side un attended, thus allowing Kellies Uncle to kidnap her. Child endangerment is punishable with up to one year in jail. Since Julie is seventeen, that puts her under Johns influence, even though she is married. Mr. McGregor as the father/husband of the two children will be financially and socially responsible for all children that result in the servitude. When he hears this he goes into a homicidal rage and tries to kill John, to protect his daughter. John manages to subdue Mr. McGregor. Since Mr. McGregor can't become pregnant, and John has no sexual interest in hi, Sam, his two-year-old daughter, is added to the servitude as a differed punishment. John, as the victim of the attempted assault/Murder, also gets to decide when the servitude ends, instead of the original duration of when the youngest becomes pregnant. Mr. McGregor will still be financially and socially responsible for all three females and any resulting children (Basically as far as the community is concerned any children that John fathers in the three are legally Mr. and Ms. McGregors children). In order to ensure that the family is still taken care of and that he poses no more threat to John, Mr. McGregor is sent to the work camps the town has set up for single men, debtors and criminals on the outskirts of town. Basically a slum of sorts where the unmarried men go to live and work until they are able to find wives and start families. All of the McGregor's money and properties become John's to support Julie, Kellie and Sam.

Of course this could all also result in John discovering another kink, the impregnation of other peoples wives, one that I very much have. Since if a boy is involved in an infraction that requires girls become impregnated, then John could now legally defer the boys punishment to his mother, thus allowing John to impregnate someone elses wife, and the husband would be legally and morally required to raise the child as his own. Since the church is 100 percent behind this whole thing, the church could also be a huge guiding factor with the Deacon giving sermons on the moral responsibility of parents and husbands to take care of the innocent children resulting from these pregnancy as if they were their own. The sins of the mother not falling on the child and all that. He could also give sermons on the sanctity of John's work.Telgar (talk) 08:39, 29 December 2017 (PST)

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Nice! I didn't think of deferred punishments for boys being put on the mothers. Can't do too much of that though, or the boys won't learn their lesson. I don't get off on m/m interaction, but i think some boys need to be punished too so it's clear that the new rules apply to them too. Say boys dressed as girls in the skimpy uniform with no undies. Maybe every time a girl comments about seeing his pecker it adds to his punishment for "corrupting her" until it eventually it extends his clothing change indefinitely and keeps adding to a "debt pool" of cum he has to "work off" by drawing from another man with his mouth or ass. Basically turn a few of them into crossdressing cum holes for the principal, preacher, and coach. If it becomes public knowledge that they are doing it, make the boys their slaves for "attempting to corrupt" the adults. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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Oh I'm sure the boys will learn a lesson. First you have the shame of having to watch your own mother get fucked by someone who is not your father, because of you. Second imagine what mom is going to do to the boy when they get home, she will see that he receives something to compensate fore what she had to endure. Also once the town starts believing the punishments are divinely sanctioned, from the Deacons sermons, then the fathers will also get involved in ensuring the boys are punished at home, for what their moms have to endure in public or at school.Telgar (talk) 08:50, 29 December 2017 (PST)

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Actually, I believe this sorta goes against the original intention of the program. It is supposed to be that the program is supposed to replace other normal punishments the kids might receive, and the new rules make it so that even punishments at home the parents might issue are replaced with punishments from the program. Punishments that are supposed to encourage the parents to more aggressively punish their own children sorta goes against the spirit of the whole thing. So far as the whole deferred punishment thing goes, I was the one who wrote that one up, it was supposed to effectively be either 1. a punishment that is used to account for people forced to break the rules by another or did it willingly for another, or 2. a punishment that is an escalation beyond the extreme punishment in cases where extreme punishments didn't work.

That said, the rules are pretty much written where any repeat violation allows the grade of the punishment to escalate. So, he could give a deferred punishment to impregnate a child's mother if the child simply runs in the hall 5 times. 1st time is a mild punishment, then a moderate, then a severe, then extreme, and finally a deferred punishment. It's just that all the ground between has to be crossed first. However, just like the phrasing of the rules are just about a 100% guarantee even the best-behaved girls (Like Suzy Marlow) are eventually going to wind up with a pregnancy punishment, it is also inevitable John will have access to the mothers of every single child in town by the deferred punishment guidelines because every single child is going to reach the extreme grade and still continue to violate rules after that. Jemini (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2017 (CET)

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The best laid plans are prefect until the first shot is fired. Thus the rules were set to mean one thing and through action and modification are twisted to support another. What I meant by he parents deal with it at home, was more of a secret, thing, the parents don't make it known that they are punishing the boy. John could really care less if anyone learns anything from them, as long as he gets access to impregnating girls. So I definitely see him twisting the intent to get him access to more girls and maybe even a few moms.Telgar (talk) 14:49, 29 December 2017 (PST)