Talk:Disciplinary Action/Disciplinary Office/First Quarter/Squad
For those planing on adding to this. The idea is that Mary Franklin has confronted Freddy and Jason in the past about their bullying of Diya, this has always been in the presence of her friends and so the bullies didn't retaliate. this time however they caught her alone by the gym and decided to take their frustrations out on her with their fists. The rest of the squad caught them and as a group took matters into their own hands. You mess with one of them you mess with all of them kinda thing.
Yeah I got the idea when reading the profiles, along with an earlier mention of the MC wanting to impregnate the entire cheer squad together. My mind then started going into overdrive, these boys are part of the group that harasses Diya. Since she is part of the cheer squad, not the main squad but still part of the squad, this would already put them on bad terms with the squad. Mary is very protective of Diya so she would have said something to the boys, counting on her popularity to protect her. Then the boys confront and attack Mary, the rest of the squad see it, and go nuts 'cuz now they are attacking a member of the Main Squad. This of course could cause some very big issues, first off the girls were acting to protect Mary, who was being attacked, but they took it too far. Also since the girls actions wee a result of the boys actions, they all now have to share the same punishment, since they acted to defend Marry, she has to share it as well. If the punishment is impregnation the boys can't be impregnated so another female family member has to take their place. Is the MC willing to do this or will he find a way to get them a lesser sentence given the circumstances.Telgar (talk) 2209, 28 December 2017 (PST)
Notsooldpervert, Well I have the Dr. going into the office with the boys, because she is the Dr. and they are beat all to heck. She is currently looking at Mary, but still needs to check them out. It could also lead to some humorous situations and commentary. I also think our MC can handle two already beat to heck, boys. As for the forced impregnation, again it is up to the person who writes the next part, whether that's me or someone else. I see it as falling under the one for all rule; in a shared infraction, what one gets as punishment all get as punishment. In that case you would only have to justify one, ie. Perl. Or you could use the attempts to continue the fight in the office, and the lack of remorse from the girls to add infractions. There are several ways. On the flip side the author could have the MC show some empathy and choose a lesser punishment, they are the schools award winning cheer squad and it's hard to cheer while pregnant.
For the Boys Deferred Punishment, I've tossed around the idea of having the MC discover a new kink, the impregnation of another man's wife. It still fits with his not showing interest with older women, just changes the why. He is not attracted to young girls just because they are young girls, he has shown sexual attraction to 16 and 17 year olds, who for the most part are mostly fully matured, he is attracted to the taboo of it. Fucking and impregnating another mans wife is definitely very taboo. I was thinking of introducing this with him fucking the 17 year old mom of Kellie McGregor, who he will punish, under the new guidelines, she is 17, for child endangerment. She left Kellie outside unsupervised at such a young age, which lead to that entire incident. Telgar (talk) 0644, 28 December 2017 (PST)
The one issue I have with this is the believably factor. I'm having a hard time buying that a couple boys, especially in such a traditionalist society, could physically beat up a girl younger than them. There is just too much social pressure against it, they would have to be ass-holes of simply unbelievable proportions for them to even consider such a thing. Jemini (talk) 04:57, 28 December 2017 (CET)
Actually, upon checking out the profiles for the two boys, I can sorta see it happening like this. Jemini (talk) 05:33, 28 December 2017 (CET)
I think your response may have come at the same time as a 3rd comment I was throwing in, thus your edit canceled mine out. Anyway, what I wanted to say was that I was confused as to why you wanted Dr. Hartell in with the boys. See, the thing is, if you are faces with a situation like this where there is a large group angry at and getting physical with a small group, the most logical thing to do is remove the small group they are angry at from the area, such as sending the boys to your office with a male teacher in order to make sure they stay in line. I was about to throw in an edit asking the person you asked to go in with them to just bring them to your office now before the decision point is reaced and re-phrase the decisions to be getting the cheer squad's story here in the front office, going to your office to get the boy's story, or taking Mary asside to some other room to get her story. However, I stopped in my tracks when I realized the person you had to go with the boys was Dr. Hartell. She would not be an appropriate choice for who to send with the boys, but I didn't want to change the person who goes with them if you had some kinda plan for Dr. Hartell. Jemini (talk) 08:05, 28 December 2017 (CET)
Hmmm... if you go with displaced punishnent for the boys then Jason's sister is already wanting to have a baby. Freddy on the other hand, has 3 sisters: a teacher (hardly appripriate) a 10 year old, who is a cheerleader and might already be involved in the punishment, and an 8yo who won't be able to get preggo unless the fertility treatment is working.
That said, i think a severe punishment for the the boys would be more effective. Maybe sex with each other for every time the girls have sex? Of course fighting is only a single severe infraction, so jumping straight to forced impregnation is a little extreme. At most you could justify popping their cherries unless one or more are habitual offenders... like Pearl. If you find a way to use forced impregnation then i suggest making both boys sexual servants to the shota loving coach until all the girls involved catch. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2017 (CET)
I.... have ABSOLUTELY no idea how you brought Kellie McGregor into this, she's not even remotely involved in this particular incident. Jemini (talk) 19:48, 28 December 2017 (CET)
She was just mentioned as part of another idea I had, that will eventually tie into this path. Telgar (talk) 1744, 28 December 2017 (PST)
Ok, well, I just made the edits I think are more in line with what a properly thinking responsible adult would do to handle a situation like this. I don't think it should affect the eventual end result of the form the punishment is going to take. It just means Mary and the cheer squad don't get to tell their story in John's office. Jemini (talk) 02:42, 30 December 2017 (CET)
Well that was kinda the point of the three questions, who he took into his office to question first and then how they would be separated after, I kinda saw it if He took Marry or the cheerleaders, then the boys would go with the Doctor to her office. If he took the boys then The girls would all stay in the waiting room. His office is actually set up to be the best place for the conversations, as it is now, it seems to push the reader to want to go with the boys first.Telgar (talk) 1914, 29 December 2017 (PST)
Only if you're stuck rigidly to the idea of office = interview place. Really, an interview can be done absolutely anywhere, it can be done at a chick-e-cheese restaurant while watching the animatronics band perform. In this case, the office is being used as a place to segregate the boys away from the people who might attack them, and that's the important thing to pay attention to here. I can absolutely see the fight starting again if either of the 2nd or 3rd options were chosen in the previous way it was set up, where as this set-up makes it impossible for the fight to start again. Jemini (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2017 (CET)
Its a psychological thing. There is a reason that headmasters and Vice-Principles offices are laid out the way they are. So that the students and anyone else sent to the office will automatically feel they are in a position of inferiority. There is more impact sitting at Johns desk and talking with him standing over you, where the punishment table and other tools are visible, than sitting in the nurses office or waiting room.Telgar (talk) 2320, 29 December 2017 (PST)
This would be the case if you were trying to intimidate them, the point here is to find out what happened. At any rate, having a large group overcomes whatever psychological effect being in the office would have. 2, maybe 3 are still vulnerable to the effect, but with 4 or more that's not going to happen. Also, by all accounts, Mary is the victim, so you wouldn't try to interrogate the victim. You are actually MORE likely to get good information from her somewhere like the Nurse's office. So, better to get the information from Mary somewhere like the Nurse's office, and bringing the cheer squad to the office wouldn't do you any good in the 1st place. So, the boys are the only one it would do you any good having them in the office in the 1st place. In fact, it actually IS better to interrogate them out in the main admn section since there are the same number of adults to angry cheer squad members here with 2 teachers, Ms. Varano, and Jhon. Having equal numbers adults to teens is better at subjecting them with the psychological effect you are talking about than being in an office where they outnumber the one talking to them. Jemini (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2017 (CET)
With the boys gone, is there really a need to separate Mary? She can tell her story in front of them, especially since she's subject to their punishment. After all, they were fighting on her behalf. And disrespecting teachers. And using foul labguage. And attempting to fight, even through the intervention of the teacher... looks like babies for all of them lol --Notsooldpervert (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2017 (CET)
There actually is value to it. After you've gone through an extreme ordeal like being physically attacked, you feel better if there are fewer people around. Even if every single person there is friendly toward you, having 8 other people in the room would be so overwhelming to someone who was just beaten up that they would shut down and you wouldn't get any good information out of them at all. Jemini (talk) 15:36, 30 December 2017 (CET)
Well, in that case, since your office is being used, it would be nost expedient to have the teachers take the cheerleeders into the hall to wait. My preferred order would be Mary, the other girls, then the boys. Yeah, babies for the girls, sex slaves to the coach for the boys until all the girls are pregnant. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 16:35, 30 December 2017 (CET)
Yeah, babies for all the girls is a definite, and obvious. The options I was thinking of giving the reader/other writers was does he start with Mary, or someone else, (youngest to oldest or oldest to youngest), and if John does it gently and romantically considering the circumstances (Makes love to them, especially Mary), Normal sex, or makes it rough (its punishment after all).Telgar (talk) 0742, 30 December 2017 (PST)
I didn't quite think of having the other cheer squad girls sent to the hall, that's actually a pretty good idea, I'm gonna go change the options for that. Jemini (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2017 (CET)
Wow! I just looked through everything and realized something. Pearl is involved with this. It sounded like Tod_Naturelitch had some kind of plan for Pearl and actually specifically requested I not do any punishments with her. We might want some input from him before pushing this storyline any further. Jemini (talk) 22:15, 30 December 2017 (CET)
That's easy enough to fix. This is a few months later. We just have to put Pearl's corruption in the first few months. I think the idea was that she would secretly like the attention from John, and do minor things on purpose to get more time with him. Of course the minor things add up and keep bumping up the severity of her punishments. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 22:38, 30 December 2017 (CET)
I see no problem with waiting, however since Perl is one of the older girls so we start the punishments with Marry then Dawn, and wait for pear until Tod Gets back. Or we could move one of the reserve girls into Perls place. I definitely want to write Mary's questioning and punishment and make it a very loving and sensual thing. Show more of Johns loving caring side. Mary will definitely enjoy her "Punishment" a lot. this will also give John access to three of the four Franklin daughters. --Telgar (talk) 1358, 30 December 2017 (PST)
Sorry to make you all wait. Let me share my vision of Perl, so we can all use her. Perl is a very intelligent girl, and is very analytical in everything she does, to the point that to others she might seen manipulative (she doesn't thinks so, since she's pretty straight forward about what she wants). For example, her mother has made it so success is very important to Perl, and thus she wants to succeed as much as possible. Part of her success is academic success (which she already has), but also social success, with she decided included being the leader of the cheerleader squad. In order to achieve that, she realized she had to be on good term with all the other cheerleaders, and thus had made a conscious effort to get close to each one. For a casual observer it might seem that Perl is friends with all of them, but to Perl they are just the needed relationships in order to succeed.
Perl's sexuality was pretty much dormant until she received the first punishment and that awoke feelings she didn't fully understood, but actually wanted to repeat, since her first sexual experience was also a very shameful one, she's confused those feelings and actually derives sexual pleasure from being put in shameful situations. But, being the analytical girl that she is, she actually thought things through before going forward. She managed to get an outdated copy of the guidelines and created a plan to receive as many punishments as possible that don't hinder her future chances at success. That is, she won't do anything that will immediately up the punishment level, she will time her misbehaviour as to minimize pregnancy risks and will not escalate things enough to risk her virginity, since in town virginity at marriage is a very heavy sign of success. (In the end things won't work out as she planned, since John will realize she's playing the system and take action, but that is for a future installment).
With this is mind, Perl would not have engaged the boys with violence. In fact she would have been the voice of reason, trying to calm the rest of the cheerleaders, and if she thought the situation would delve into chaos, she would walk away before being caught, prioritizing her own safety over the fate of her teammates.
Now, if you've seen the first quarter node page, you'll see one of the school events was a trip with the soccer team and cheer squad. My original idea was that it would be there where John would get his way with the cheerleaders, after they overstep their boundaries with the boys. Now I'm thinking that after the punishment that will result here with the main squad, most (if not all) of them will be unable to go in that trip, and it will be the reserve squad that will go in the trip. --Tod Naturlich (talk) 05:48, 2 January 2018 (CET)
A reserve squad of younger cheerleaders headed up by Perl since she was smart enough to avoid getting involved this time? Maybe Liliana was the "first confirmed pregnancy" and got booted from the squad? --Notsooldpervert (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2018 (CET)
Liliana will most likely be booted from the squad, I'm not sure if it'll be for being pregnant, since one of the possible punishments called for a three month pregnancy test, and there hasn't been enough time. The "first confirmed pregnancy" can either be a girl John punished that is taking a normal hormonal pregnancy test (and thus can be a false positive) or a girl that ended up pregnant prior to the beginning of the school girl and that is now showing. Either way the showcase is to put fear into the other students by publicly expelling the offending girl and threatening that any "immoral" activity will result in the same. --Tod Naturlich (talk) 07:22, 2 January 2018 (CET)
Well, in that case maybe it should be an older teen who fooled around last summer and can't hide it anymore. No "official boyfriend" and she's on her own, or forced marraige to a boy who also has to drop ouy and get a job to support her? Either way works to intimidate the girls, the second should put fear in the boys too. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2018 (CET)
Okay I took Pearl out and added Suzy Marlow, that leaves Kittie Eckles, Lindsey Lafort, Pearl Accardi and Dyna Styles for the new Main Squad. We might want to see about making some new cheerleaders or moving some non Cheerleaders to the squad for the Soccer team story.--Telgar (talk) 1044, 2 December 2017 (PST)
You'd need to recruit more, but it's far more likely that after the away trip lands the rest in the MC's bed, the squad would be shut down. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2018 (CET)
I've been reading up some on the character profiles and I think Freddy needs to be punished in the first week. He treats his older sister (who happens to be his teacher this year) like shit. I think he would have a hard time NOT doing that even at school, and i could easily see the teacher/sister being resentful and sending him to be punished for being disrespectful at the least. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 00:50, 3 January 2018 (CET)
We need to create more characters, right now most of them are the family of the school staff, which is why there are so few students, we need to add the children of the town's workers, many of which will doubtlessly be part of the cheer squad. I wrote a program to generate random families, but it only gives me names, ages and genders, I have to manually invent a background for each one, which is tiresome, but if someone helps me with that, we can quickly add enough to fill in the school.
Also, Notsooldpervert, Willena has been taught all her life that men are always right and must be obeyed, while women must be servants. So it's doubtful she would report her own brother, since she's used to be treated that way at home. --Tod Naturlich (talk) 02:05, 3 January 2018 (CET)
Men, yes. Children? No, I think not. I can see her being deferential to her oldest brother who is over 18, but anyone under 18 would be expected to be respectful of their elders, regardless of gender. Otherwise you couldn't have female teachers at all as the boys would tell them to kiss off. She wouldn't put up with it from any other student, why should her baby brother who grew up with her as a mother be different? Maybe not for things at home (even with the letter) but in the classroom, i think she would. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 02:54, 3 January 2018 (CET)
I see both sides on this one. Yes she has been taught to deffer to men and her brothers have treated her like shit her whole life, even Freddie. But with Freddie she needs to show some authority. He needs to learn that there is a time and place for everything. If he is disrespectful in class or mistreats her in school then something needs to be done. However I would see it more as one of the other faculty see it and report it, instead of her, at least at first, she is too used to letting him walk all over her at home. --Telgar (talk) 0533,3 December 2017 (PST)
My comment would only make sense if this arc is after the part where we screw Diya...
The boys were picking on Diya, and they attacked Mary. {Severe}
Main cheer squad beats up boys for the benefit of Mary {Severe}
Mary "verbally" attacked the boys {middle} upgraded to {severe} for Diya's benefit
Diya {minor/middle}
If Mrs. Carmichael was aware that the boys were being mean to Diya, but didn't do anything because she's the daughter of a hooker, we can bring her daughter Laura Carmichael into the punishment as her substitute.
Now, since both Diya and Mary like you, you can screw them together. Maybe their "formal" punishment (on paper) is you taking them home for the evening and fucking them. Call Mary's parents, tell them her punishment and that you're taking her home with you and she won't be home until the next afternoon. Then call Diya's mom, and that you'll be taking both Diya and Mary home (to the brothel), once there you can explain what happened, and their "punishment." You can now passionately make love to the both of them, under the watchful eye of Diya's caring mother's --MrPib (talk) 03:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC) (edited at a later time to add more stuff)
Just wanted to add here that this needs to be moved to week eight as, per the dialog with Mary, this event happens the same day the two younger Franklin girls get their first punishment.
Also the MC should have some incentive to protect Mary who it seams is his future wife. Per the previous Diya path, which may require a rewrite of how the MC interviews get, as one the may have already had sex and two Mary may already trust the MC more than is reflected in the interview. Telgar (talk) 03:04 27 February 2020 (PST)
Yeah, I'd been meaning to get to that after the marriage scene, but then I got distracted part way through it. I should probably get to that sooner now rather than later. Jemini (talk) 14:16, 27 February 2020 (CET)
Another twist that the marriage adds to the mix, is now that Mary is his wife, she is no longer eligible for impregnation punishment, as getting pregnant by her husband is not a punishment, so that would mean her punishment would have to fall to another family member, i.e. her mother or 10 year old sister. Considering how horrid her mother is both personality wise and physically, that leaves her 10 year old sister. A full Franklin coup de grace in one day. Might as well just have him marry all the Franklin girls at this rate. Telgar (talk) 11:55 27 February 2020 (PST)
Her being his wife could also backfire. Look at Headmaster Granville who insisted on even worse punishment for his own daughter to prove there would be no favoritism. Someone could insist on Mary being impregnated by someone else to show Mr. Gardner has the same philosophy. Might not want to push it too much (though you're right that Mrs. Franklin would be more than happy to offer up a daughter for displaced punishment for Mary, probably her youngest to make the punishment last longer since she would be years of fucking away from having a baby).--Notsooldpervert (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2020 (CET)
Hell, even Macy would do. Bumping the the tots up to sexual slavery and then doing the same for Macy would be ideal. This would would be a way to remove the other 3 girls from the Franklin home. --MrPib (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2020 (CET)
Except my point was, an objection could be made (by the father perhaps, trying to "save" his youngest daughters) that Mary wouldn't qualify for displaced punishment because she's being impregnated by her husband. The argument could be made (and precedent set by the Headmaster) that Gardner is just disqualified to apply the punishment and be compelled to let someone else knock up Mary. --Notsooldpervert (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2020 (CET)
Yes the argument could be made, except that the Headmaster of Discipline has final say in all Disciplinary Actions, and I don't see the MC letting himself be cucked, he will spin it to get the best deal for himself.
Also why would Mary's father push for a discipline that would give her, someone who has managed to achieve the town's highest ideal, a pure marriage, a discipline that would make her an adulterous.
By removing Mary from direct punishment and forcing a displaced punishment he is showing that he isn't showing favoritism, and he is using punishment methods that have been used in the past with ineligibil offenders, like Kellie's uncle and Samantha taking his place.
Mary is being forced to watch her younger sister be punished for her actions, also remembered, Mary is the victim here, the actions of the other cheerleaders were taken to defend her and therefore she automatically gets a lesser punishment than them. Forcing adulterous actions on a married woman is worse than out of wedlock sex. Telgar (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2020 (PST).
Fair enough, but the complaint doesn't have to be from her dad. Could come from Mr. Loso who's jealous and wants a young girl to knock up himself. I agree on both the displaced punishment being lesser, and adultery being worse than underage kids having sex out of wedlock, though. Still... might be better to find another way. Maybe since hers is supposed to be lesser, she has to wear the sexy uniform with nothing under it until the last girl is pregnant? Lesser, but long term punishment. Doesn't affect her "purity" because she's already married. Her younger sisters can probably be claimed another way, like pretending to agree with Mrs. Franklin and conspire together on just what she needs to accuse them of to "turn them into little fuck dolls" for John. She'd probably set them up for it, or outright lie to get it done. And of course, with them being your sexual servants, Mrs. Varano gets to come to your house and watch. Oops, she left Chester and Gabriele alone for 10 minutes while she went to the car. Gotta knock up Gabriele, too, and displaced punishment for Chester is to knock up his mom! Slumber party where your wives teach your "nieces" how to pole sit and milk a big load of cream out of your cock. (it's possible I might be getting carried away lol).
I had an idea on how to handle the two boys and the rest of the cheer squad, come to me in a dream, so I will write those up and post them, then work on Ms. Varano and her daughter. I will only start the section about the boys, someone else will have to write up the actual scene, as I am unable to write or read M/M especially if it involves violance or rape due to past life experience that triggers my PTSD. The Chear Squad will be punished in the eyes of the rest of the community. But to the MC, Ms. Varano and the Dr... Telgar (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2020 (PST)